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Shifting views about psychedelic drugs require a new category for them

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Re: Shifting views about psychedelic drugs require a new category for them

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bryanrasmussen wrote: post #112
EdwardDiego wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my country, LSD, mescaline, magic mushrooms, and DMT, are class A controlled substances, same as methamphetamine, cocaine, heroin and fentanyl. Class A being drugs that pose a "very high risk of harm". Which, you know, if I could post comments on our legislation, I'd be adding a bunch of "[citation needed]"s in that list of substances that apparently have a very high risk of harm. And like other jurisdictions, the…

This is the same way that one weighs LSD that is on paper, unfortunately. Thus a lot of paper with very little LSD on it is worse than a little bit of paper with a lot of LSD on it.

Seems that at least parts of the US government has realised that carrier medium weight should not be used for LSD.

> In the case of LSD on a carrier medium (e.g., a sheet of blotter paper), do not use the weight of the LSD/carrier medium. Instead, treat each dose of LSD on the carrier medium as equal to 0.4 mg of LSD for the purposes of the Drug Quantity Table.

https://www.ussc.gov/guidelines/amendment/488

Re: Shifting views about psychedelic drugs require a new category for them

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Post by EdwardDiego »

asah wrote: post #119
EdwardDiego wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my country, LSD, mescaline, magic mushrooms, and DMT, are class A controlled substances, same as methamphetamine, cocaine, heroin and fentanyl. Class A being drugs that pose a "very high risk of harm". Which, you know, if I could post comments on our legislation, I'd be adding a bunch of "[citation needed]"s in that list of substances that apparently have a very high risk of harm. And like other jurisdictions, the…

He was convicted and sentenced with 7 months home detention. https://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/editors-picks/87...

Nicely done judge.

But it's still ridiculous that he pleaded guilty to a charge of importing 18kg of DMT, when the results of testing the 18kg of bark he imported were that the "The bark contained 0.57 per cent of DMT."

So, about 103 grams of DMT, assuming 100% efficiency in extracting it.

Re: Shifting views about psychedelic drugs require a new category for them

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Post by [deleted] »

funnymony wrote: post #120
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the same way that one weighs LSD that is on paper, unfortunately. Thus a lot of paper with very little LSD on it is worse than a little bit of paper with a lot of LSD on it.

Could you elaborate? Why is it so?

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Re: Shifting views about psychedelic drugs require a new category for them

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Post by bowsamic »

bozhark wrote: post #50
ImAnAmateur wrote: post #4

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I've got a question for you. Some people are very carefree with their use of psychoactive drugs. I'd say nearly everyone I've ever seen post online about trying mushrooms, LSD, etc. has done it for fun (or the experience) instead of spiritual, psychological, or medicinal reasons. What risks are they exposing themselves to? I'd hate to have a friend hurt themselves.

Caffeine is a psychoactive drug.

How is that relevant?

Re: Shifting views about psychedelic drugs require a new category for them

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Post by bowsamic »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #19

About two months ago I was at a festival with friends and a I had a psychedelic experience. What’s funny is earlier that day I had just told my friends “I know this sounds boring but I don’t like dancing that much.” Then while I was tripping I found that I was really enjoying the dancing. I felt like I was tapping in to a part of myself that had been dormant for a long time. I felt really confident and cool and sexy…

I took 100ug LSD twice and I was suicidal after it for years

Re: Shifting views about psychedelic drugs require a new category for them

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Post by 18pfsmt »

andy_ppp wrote: post #97

My friend summed it up perfectly - “not exactly what you would call recreational is it?”. At some dose psychedelics reveal a huge amount of why we are the way we are to ourselves and give us more powers to change our reality than we had before. But with great power… people who see reality as very fixed or particularly have very black and white moral codes probably shouldn’t try them.

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Re: Shifting views about psychedelic drugs require a new category for them

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Post by ikekkdcjkfke »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #62
crazygringo wrote: post #14

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Because legally, that's as meaningful as saying "they are quooquaquams". The entire point of categorizing them is to answer questions around: - Should they be sold to take recreationally, like tobacco and alcohol? Should there be limits, like tobacco packaging and taxes, or rules similar to drunk driving? - Or should they only be prescribed by doctors for mental health reasons, and not allowed recreationally or in re…

Is there a downside to totally deregulating them?

Ocean Gate

Re: Shifting views about psychedelic drugs require a new category for them

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Post by scns »

anigbrowl wrote: post #89
seabird wrote: post #78

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Because that's not how controlled substances are grouped and regulated, and for good reason.

Then maybe it's the controlled substance administration that's wrong. Seriously, what level of hubris does it take to think that natural substances like psilocybin mushrooms which have existed for millions of years must be brought under the control of a polity's legislature? It's like declaring sharks or snakes illegal because they give some people nightmares. Future generations will laugh in disbelief at this idiocy…

How did drugs become illegal? Check out the documentary series Hooked. Short answer: Racism and corruption.

[addendum]

Marijuana and Methamphetamine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvGtn8RzF0U&list=PL2-GCln73g...

Ecstasy, LSD & the Raves:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3id6j6nJmlo&list=PL2-GCln73g...

Opium, Morphine and Heroin:

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2ocqwm

Re: Shifting views about psychedelic drugs require a new category for them

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Post by jliptzin »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #122
asah wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was convicted and sentenced with 7 months home detention. https://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/editors-picks/87...

Nicely done judge. But it's still ridiculous that he pleaded guilty to a charge of importing 18kg of DMT, when the results of testing the 18kg of bark he imported were that the "The bark contained 0.57 per cent of DMT." So, about 103 grams of DMT, assuming 100% efficiency in extracting it.

He has plenty of time at home now to extract that DMT efficiently.
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