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Re: The Liberty Phone

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Post by copperx »

brians wrote: post #70
pedalpete wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assembly in the US is expensive, and what is the benefit to the end user? We're looking at manufacturing hardware, and considering Mexico for assembly (if anyone has experience with this, please let me know). Our initial thinking is 1) lower cost than the US 2) geographically closer 2a) lower environmental footprint in shipping 2b) quicker time from assembly to customer 2c) easier to visit the factories, solve proble…

I’ve routinely had pallets of servers messed with while in Mexican customs lockup; RAM and drives were replaced. Badly. Until that sort of thing is fixed, it’s not helpful for manufacturing trustworthy devices.

Could you tells us more about that experience? It's intriguing.

Re: The Liberty Phone

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Post by themoonisachees »

ThinkBeat wrote: post #87

>"All the electronics of the Liberty Phone is made in our USA facility, and the entire phone is assembled in the USA" There is no way in hell that is true if read it literally. I dont think anyone would do this at present. They would need a full fab and design team To make cpu, gpu, and ram (not sure how ram is produced to be honest) and all the rest. I think that is how most people will and are intended to see it. I…

NAND ram is just silicon. SK hynix and Samsung make most of it in their own fabs.

Re: The Liberty Phone

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Post by sezycei »

BasedAnon wrote: post #62
sezycei wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"All the electronics of the Liberty Phone are made in our USA facility, and the entire phone is assembled at that same facility, using the same manufacturing process we used for the Librem 5 devkits in 2018 and Librem Key that has the Made in the USA label started in 2019." "All the electronics of the Liberty Phone are made in our USA facility" "All the electronics" Edit: newlines

Electronics refers to circuit board assembly not discrete electrical components. I doubt you think their diodes or capacitors are US made

I would wager a significant amount of money that the vast majority of people who read "ALL ELECTRONICS" are going to believe that discrete electrical components are considered part of the category "ALL ELECTRONICS".

Re: The Liberty Phone

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Post by fsflover »

Hackbraten wrote: post #86
nsonha wrote: post #85

Advice for people making the next Linux phone: be generous with specs. 4G of RAM is pathetic even for just a phone. For a LINUX phone, people want to plug it in a monitor and run desktop grade software on it, they don't just want the title linux for show. Then you can charge 2k!

I can imagine that this may be harder than it seems. - Most modern consumer-grade chips and SoCs have proprietary specs and closed-sourced drivers. It can be difficult to obtain drivers suitable for mainlining into Linux. - The automotive industry seems a good place to source parts with open specs. But for reasons I don’t understand, they seem to cling to absurdly old process sizes. - Higher-specced chipsets would po…

They have an article explaining some of the actual reasons: https://puri.sm/posts/breaking-ground/

Re: The Liberty Phone

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Post by fsflover »

CrampusDestrus wrote: post #82

a $2000 phone in 2023 that software-wise is light years behind the first iPhone in 2007

Could iPhone from 2007 run any software from GNU/Lunux repositories, connect to screen/keyboard turning into desktop, run without proprietary drivers and offer lifetime security updates?

Re: The Liberty Phone

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Post by purplesmoke »

The huge kicker about this is that the company pine64 already has a better, cheaper option with their line of the PinePhone and PinePhone Pro, which are designed exclusively for Linux and phosh experiences. With every upgrade they don't even scratch $600 a unit. At the very least, Purism is pricing themselves unfairly. Also with their past quality control failures with the Librem line, what faith should we have in the company that it will succeed?

Re: The Liberty Phone

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Post by CrampusDestrus »

fsflover wrote: post #95
CrampusDestrus wrote: post #82

a $2000 phone in 2023 that software-wise is light years behind the first iPhone in 2007

Could iPhone from 2007 run any software from GNU/Lunux repositories, connect to screen/keyboard turning into desktop, run without proprietary drivers and offer lifetime security updates?

If your phone's only redeeming feature is that it runs desktop programs (badly) maybe you should reconsider its utility as a phone

Re: The Liberty Phone

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Post by footlose_3815 »

cookiengineer wrote: post #63

2200$ for a phone, which has wanky software support at its best. Come on, this is getting ridiculous. Phosh is nowhere stable, and these claims cannot be true with an 8 year old SoC from NXP. I get that made in USA is your brand and whatnot, but people expect a phone to be able to run google maps in the browser, and whatsapp, and instagram in parallel. If it turns off and reboots while doing that because it runs out…

I was interested until I saw the price

Re: The Liberty Phone

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Post by olyjohn »

sezycei wrote: post #93
BasedAnon wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electronics refers to circuit board assembly not discrete electrical components. I doubt you think their diodes or capacitors are US made

I would wager a significant amount of money that the vast majority of people who read "ALL ELECTRONICS" are going to believe that discrete electrical components are considered part of the category "ALL ELECTRONICS".

If unlimited doesn't mean unlimited, maybe all doesn't really mean all anymore either.

Re: The Liberty Phone

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Post by fsflover »

CrampusDestrus wrote: post #97
fsflover wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could iPhone from 2007 run any software from GNU/Lunux repositories, connect to screen/keyboard turning into desktop, run without proprietary drivers and offer lifetime security updates?

If your phone's only redeeming feature is that it runs desktop programs (badly) maybe you should reconsider its utility as a phone

Why should I? It works fine as a phone and runs apps that I need sufficiently well (and is quickly getting even better). No other phone can do that.

Example: desktop Firefox with all plugins. Yes, it scales to the small screen just fine. Can your 'smart'-phone do that? If not, maybe you should reconsider its utility as a smartphone.

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