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Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by vore »

andreygrehov wrote: post #729

> Twitter is firing off about 10 requests a second to itself to try and fetch content that never arrives because Elon's latest genius innovation is to block people from being able to read Twitter without logging in Well, for one, this sounds just like yet another Elon-hater's comment. In _most_ cases, Elon's businesses are fairly successful, so a sarcastic "Elon's latest genius innovation" doesn't belong here. For se…

He did make the call to do that, did he not? He publicly stated it on Twitter.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by aetimmes »

TheHappyOddish wrote: post #673
inpdx wrote: post #460

People commenting that people who are still at Twitter because of their own volition, just stop. Certainly some are still there because they want to be, but there are absolutely people trapped there economically one way or another, working for a tyrant.

What nonsense. Silicon Valley employees are some of the best paid in the world and have chosen to enter into a contract in a capitalist society. Even if any are "economically trapped" (they're not) and it's not of their own volition (it is), it's been a year since Musk bought the company, plenty of time to find another job. I don't think you understand what a "tyrant" is. Companies aren't democracies.

Anecdotally, you are wildly incorrect.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by woodson »

TheHappyOddish wrote: post #708
voganmother42 wrote: post #667

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this really easier than consulting a calendar? Its the weekend before the 4th of July, the independence day for USA - many employers give employees Monday and Tuesday off, creating a potential four day break during what is typically very good weather - that being said Twitter is presumably (still) an international company with people in all different holiday areas.

I searched "what holiday is it this weekend" on kagi and found nothing. I don't know what country GP is in and I haven't heard about any public holidays this weekend. The "America is the default" is tiring. The US makes up ~ 5% of the population, and most of us do not default to American thinking.

I generally agree with your sentiment, but Twitter is a US company with most of their employees residing in the US (at least presumably?). So in this case it’s reasonable to assume they meant it’s a holiday in the US.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by andreygrehov »

vore wrote: post #731
andreygrehov wrote: post #729

> Twitter is firing off about 10 requests a second to itself to try and fetch content that never arrives because Elon's latest genius innovation is to block people from being able to read Twitter without logging in Well, for one, this sounds just like yet another Elon-hater's comment. In _most_ cases, Elon's businesses are fairly successful, so a sarcastic "Elon's latest genius innovation" doesn't belong here. For se…

He did make the call to do that, did he not? He publicly stated it on Twitter.

Why does it matter that he made the call to do that? I get plenty of "do this, do that" requests from my manager. And if I break things, is it my manager's fault? I'm trying to understand your logic. Please, explain.

Edit: here is my take on it + the most likely scenario of what's going to happen next. This was a bad deployment and such things are not unusual in software industry. In this specific case, there are zero reasons to blame the CTO. From what I'm observing right now, Twitter has already fixed the issue - the website loads just fine. Next, they will do a retro, learn from their mistakes and try to not repeat the same mistakes again in the future. There will be more bad deployments and that's normal. However, with time, they'll make things better, the SLA will go up and the overall stability of their services will stabilize, – one of the biggest social networks on the planet will have the least number of engineers running that same social network.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by boc »

TheHappyOddish wrote: post #708
voganmother42 wrote: post #667

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this really easier than consulting a calendar? Its the weekend before the 4th of July, the independence day for USA - many employers give employees Monday and Tuesday off, creating a potential four day break during what is typically very good weather - that being said Twitter is presumably (still) an international company with people in all different holiday areas.

I searched "what holiday is it this weekend" on kagi and found nothing. I don't know what country GP is in and I haven't heard about any public holidays this weekend. The "America is the default" is tiring. The US makes up ~ 5% of the population, and most of us do not default to American thinking.

You’re on the English-speaking internet when the only other countries awake are Canada and Australia/NZ.

You’re in an America conversation thread, whether you like it or not.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by [deleted] »

Topfi wrote: post #126

Speaking from very painful, personal experience, few things are more agitating than being forced to execute on something you fully know is a horrible idea, especially when you tried and failed to communicate this fact to the individual pushing you to go against your best judgement. Even more so when that person later loudly proclaims that they never made such a request, even when provided with written proof. I can of…

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Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by justinclift »

poisonarena wrote: post #704
lolinder wrote: post #627

Earlier quoted context omitted.

About 80% of Twitter was laid off or quit. I think it's a reasonable supposition that a good number of those were critical personnel who felt they could get a better deal somewhere else.

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> thousands of people in bootcamps are making twitter clones

Heh Heh Heh

Those twitter clones will tend to be of the "looks pretty on the front end, but a fucking nightmare on the backend" type. ;)

Likely with part of the backend nightmare being security issues as well. From what I've seen of bootcamp output, they seem to rarely explain much about security to the people doing the learning. :(

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by tivert »

paxys wrote: post #588
buitreVirtual wrote: post #579

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this job market, it's hard. And many engineers are on H1B visas so it's even harder to jump ship.

If they truly cannot get another job despite trying hard for 15 months then really they should be thanking Musk for giving them a steady paycheck when no one else in the industry will.

> If they truly cannot get another job despite trying hard for 15 months then really they should be thanking Musk for giving them a steady paycheck when no one else in the industry will.

That's an asshole take.

Everything I've read is that Twitter is working its remaining engineers to the bone. Job searches can be extremely draining, and I can imagine many Twitter engineers don't have the energy remaining. Add to that mix visa and immigration issues, and I could totally see people getting trapped there.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by cochne »

alfor wrote: post #730

This is expected with a faster rate of pushing features. Funny things is Twitter views are hiher than ever and it will be fixed quickly. (No reason to make a big deal out of it) But I think tests and refactor of the codebase will be necessary to increase their speed of innovation.

What substantial features have they been pushing? To me it looks like just a bunch of ways to limit and monetize their existing userbase.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by snowwrestler »

shon wrote: post #459
snowwrestler wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The company was not thriving but the product itself was rock solid. It’s hilarious to think it is at all acceptable to kill public access, and drastically limit authenticated access, because of a few scrapers. There is no way Twitter prior to Musk’s acquisition would have had to do so. > What do you think? I think you are not looking at the situation objectively.

Regarding the product, it was solid as in reliable, but stagnant. I don’t pretend to know all of the motivations behind the policy moves. That said, I’ve got some experience with scraping; got sued by LinkedIn in 2014. We were using AWS Spot Instances to hit it hard for very little money. It was not uncommon to accidentally take large services down. Scrapers can and do add very significant load. We also scraped Twitt…

Sites that wish to be ubiquitous must handle scraping in a way that is transparent to valuable users. It’s not like scraping is a new or complex threat to availability. This is table stakes for large services in 2023.

Twitter was very good at this, and their new-found inability is a glaring sign that their engineering is slipping.

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