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Post by FranksTV »

filmgirlcw wrote: post #395
roughly wrote: post #343

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That will be the case once H1-Bs are reformed and universal healthcare becomes real. Until then, this is an unrealistic and cruel position.

I generally agree with you and do believe that having the ability to just quit a job is a privilege (regardless of what industry you’re in) for the reasons you mentioned (other reasons include your age (harder to get a job if you’re over 40 b/c of ageism), family responsibilities, part of the country you live in) BUT I do want to push back a little bit on current Twitter employees just a bit. It is absolutely true th…

We're also in the middle of a downturn, with many companies laying off tens of thousands of employees.

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Post by pschuegr »

berkle4455 wrote: post #654
pschuegr wrote: post #598

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This. I'd bet substantial amounts of money that the evil scraper idea is the result of a) another issue + b) paranoia + c) Musk thinking he understands better than anybody else.

This is a really ignorant take to dismiss scrapers. LLMs operate by having petabytes of conversational training data. Scraping is how OpenAI trained GPT. It’s how all their copycats are trying to do the same. Elon can be a monumental asshat, and he can be self-DDOS’ing, and can be accurate about scraping at the same time. It’s why every single social media platform is heading toward becoming a walled garden.

I'm not denying that scrapers exist, I'm just highly suspicious of this explanation given that: a) he's proven time and time again how willing he is to say shit just to get attention b) he doesn't seem to understand software very well c) if shit was imploding for reasons related to decisions he made, this is precisely the kind of blame externalization I would expect.

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Post by [deleted] »

paxys wrote: post #621
barbazoo wrote: post #619

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Without knowing much about the people I opt to approach this with a bit more empathy. Things are shitty for lots of people. Now is not the time to judge people.

Why assume anything at all about them? Maybe they believe in the product they are building and don't mind putting in the extra work?

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Post by sanderjd »

nicolas_17 wrote: post #404
sanderjd wrote: post #342

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I'm curious about this: When you were experiencing this, why didn't you quit? I truly feel bummed for the people remaining at Twitter who are miserable but for whatever reason feel they can't just quit.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7z5px/twitter-employees-on-...

I was asking about this specific person's situation. I do recognize (and despise) the visa issue that indentures immigrants to employers. But I'm curious what other circumstances there may be.

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

jayd16 wrote: post #635
martincmartin wrote: post #373

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The people at Twitter who understood the system and could predict the side effects were all fired or left. My guess is Elon said "the site's too slow!" Engineers noticed that the home feed request was slow. They didn't understand how it worked, had no tools to profile it, and were given an unrealistic deadline to fix it. So about the only thing they could do was issue multiple, parallel requests and hope that at leas…

> The people at Twitter who understood the system But this is Scaling-101 stuff. It's not some super complex or unique system going wrong. At least according to the article, it's a classic case of bad retry logic leading to a death spiral. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thundering_herd_problem

This has absolutely nothing to do with the thundering herd problem.

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Post by voganmother42 »

TheHappyOddish wrote: post #664
tmpz22 wrote: post #413

Can we please recognize that this is a holiday weekend and Elon rammed a big release forcing his engineers to come in and iterate multiple patches over the last 12 hours.

What holiday is it?

Is this really easier than consulting a calendar?

Its the weekend before the 4th of July, the independence day for USA - many employers give employees Monday and Tuesday off, creating a potential four day break during what is typically very good weather - that being said Twitter is presumably (still) an international company with people in all different holiday areas.

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Post by TheHappyOddish »

agonz253 wrote: post #399
justinhj wrote: post #366

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Why do people oppose Twitter? It's a social network, you can choose not to use it.

Putting the personality of the owner aside, they have been running an experiment for the last few months on how to operate a tech company, overworking your engineers and treating them like replaceable automata. Do you want them to succeed and set that as an example for others to follow?

Every social network and large tech company has awful people running it? And I'm yet to see anything beyond "an anonymous source" on this apparent overworking.

If you work for a large US tech company, you are replacable automata. How do people not know this? Am I the crazy one here?

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Post by penjelly »

the irony of all the premature celebrations over the past 8 months. If you stick your head in the sand and pretend there are no problems, i guess there really arent any, until maybe there is?

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Post by m00x »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #666
jayd16 wrote: post #635

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> The people at Twitter who understood the system But this is Scaling-101 stuff. It's not some super complex or unique system going wrong. At least according to the article, it's a classic case of bad retry logic leading to a death spiral. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thundering_herd_problem

This has absolutely nothing to do with the thundering herd problem.

+1.

Ironic that someone saying it's scaling 101 follows up the comment with a completely wrong explanation.

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