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Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by 0xcde4c3db »

1attice wrote: post #505
beaned wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's definitely a strong element of people here rooting for Twitter to fail because they dislike Elon's politics.

It is -- and I cannot stress this enough -- entirely OK to root for the failure of a company that is owned, directed and dominated by an odious person with abhorrent politics. Compare: - hoping Ballmer-era Microsoft would fail in their attempts to snuff out Linux - hoping that USSR would fail in their attempts to snuff out large numbers of their own citizens - hoping that the Confederates would fail at snuffing out r…

I like Michael Hobbes's succinct gripe regarding the "debate RFK" nonsense about a week ago (alas, on Twitter, hence no link to the thread):

> The problem with this asinine debate over debating is that everyone is trying to come up with a content-neutral principle.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by JPws_Prntr_Fngr »

tadfisher wrote: post #518
beaned wrote: post #442

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There's definitely a strong element of people here rooting for Twitter to fail because they dislike Elon's politics.

That's... a perfectly reasonable position to hold?

I think its like, totally reasonable? to want the Gates Foundation to like implode and everybody who works for it to be unemployed? and all those poor African kids to go unvaccinated?

Because I kinda think Bill Gates has bad politics?

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by ajmurmann »

lrvick wrote: post #346
roughly wrote: post #343

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That will be the case once H1-Bs are reformed and universal healthcare becomes real. Until then, this is an unrealistic and cruel position.

Fair point. I was only considering the perspective of US citizens. It does make me wonder how much the ratio of forced labor H1B situations has gone up at Twitter as US citizens all bail from the fire. I cannot imagine why anyone would work there if they had a choice at this point.

The entire H1B situation is bad for everyone in tech. Because it's significantly harder for H1B holders to change jobs, they have a harder negotiation position and thus reducer upward pressure for comp.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by stOneskull »

1attice wrote: post #451
unconed wrote: post #422

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Except, progress grinding to a halt pretty much described Twitter before Elon Musk too. The story that anyone who knew anything was let go is just that, a story, as the number of employees by year shows Twitter, and other tech companies in the same period, overhired and then went back to pre-2020 levels. The only difference between then and now is that there is a big personality at the top who now personifies everyth…

> The story that anyone who knew anything was let go is just that, a story, as the number of employees by year shows Twitter, and other tech companies in the same period, overhired and then went back to pre-2020 levels. Citation needed. Show me the 2020 Twitter headcount. Show me the 2023 Twitter headcount. > The only difference between then and now is that there is a big personality at the top who now personifies ev…

who is 'we' and why are they the same group as the 'lot of people'?

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by codechicago277 »

ineedasername wrote: post #483
unconed wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except, progress grinding to a halt pretty much described Twitter before Elon Musk too. The story that anyone who knew anything was let go is just that, a story, as the number of employees by year shows Twitter, and other tech companies in the same period, overhired and then went back to pre-2020 levels. The only difference between then and now is that there is a big personality at the top who now personifies everyth…

>has made way for free-speech Here’s just a few of the people (in these cases journalists) that Elon has banned. It’s not hard to find other examples of censorship either. That’s his right, he owns all of it, but he lied about ideals of free speech. If it’s speech he doesn’t like, he kills it: Ryan Mac Drew Harwell Micah Lee Matt Binder Aaron Rupar Donie O’Sullivan Tony Webster EDIT: these bans were related to report…

More recently he banned Aaron Greenspan, founder of Plainsite, and prominent Elon Musk critic. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/15/elon-musk-led-twitter-suspen...

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by brucethemoose2 »

epistasis wrote: post #167
brucethemoose2 wrote: post #33

Also, taking Elon's word at face value for a second... is Twitter really worth scraping for AI training or whatever? Its a hive of misinformation, disinformation and toxicity. Its succinct I guess, but nothing is eloquent or descriptive because of the character limit. And its full of repetitive "filler" information. Who wants that in a foundational LLM dataset? Maybe its OK for finding labeled images... But that stil…

While there may be huge sections of Twitter content that are like what you describe, I haven't encountered that. Instead I see tons of hyper-focused discussion from very specialized scientists that I wouldn't see otherwise. I see lots of discussion if obscure housing policy, that I wouldn't see otherwise. Now, this has been severely degraded by the changes that Musk has made. The spam in direct messages is off the ch…

Well we should train LLMs from your old feed then!

I am only half kidding. "Profiles of specialized Twitter readers" would be an excellent dataset if it could somehow be filtered down to that.

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Post by dawnbreez »

rs999gti wrote: post #449
nicolas_17 wrote: post #404

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https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7z5px/twitter-employees-on-...

It's still not forced to work, unless going back to your home country is worse than working at Twitter?

For some people, "going back to your home country" means going back to a place where basic human rights are not protected by law. Further, I'm not sure what having your visa revoked would do to your future immigration prospects--not to mention that, once that visa is revoked, you're technically "in the country illegally", and you may have heard about how badly our legal system treats people, both with and without citizenship.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by djur »

Sparyjerry wrote: post #285
Mizoguchi wrote: post #17

This kind of stuff is unavoidable with what's going on at Twitter. Infrastructure changes, platform changes and mass layoffs all at once. I'm actually impressed they haven't experienced more and longer outages.

True, the rate of improvements has been insane. I use it pretty often and haven't even noticed a second of unavailability even today and right now, not to say I use it 24/7 though. It's pretty obvious some people have a political bend to their hatred of Twitter so any second something isn't perfect they jump on it. It's really a sad state of affairs really.

It's been unusable all day.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by DropInIn »

Waterluvian wrote: post #192
brigadier132 wrote: post #113

This is why you always use exponential backoff.

I wonder if exponential backoff should be the default behaviour for request libraries/APIs. Their default of “just go ham on that API” feels like the same footgun of “by default this Humongous Database is wide open.”

I doubt it ever would become the standard unless everyone was using third party libraries that forced it in some way, most likely opaque by default which would cause plenty of devs headaches, right?

The easiest path will always be the default for the majority of devs, with a simple "timer" type solution being the easiest to implement in pretty much all cases except where otherwise it's literally forced on them.

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