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Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by DonHopkins »

beaned wrote: post #442
unconed wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except, progress grinding to a halt pretty much described Twitter before Elon Musk too. The story that anyone who knew anything was let go is just that, a story, as the number of employees by year shows Twitter, and other tech companies in the same period, overhired and then went back to pre-2020 levels. The only difference between then and now is that there is a big personality at the top who now personifies everyth…

There's definitely a strong element of people here rooting for Twitter to fail because they dislike Elon's politics.

And now that he's opened his big fat mouth and revealed just what kind of a person he really is, I'm also rooting for unconed to fail because of his politics.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by djur »

18pfsmt wrote: post #468
kristianc wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s exactly it. Musk a week ago was telling us that there were a record number of user seconds on the site. Now he’s telling us they’re all content-scrapers. The very concept of truth is eroded.

His claim is that there are a few hundred scrapers causing issues, which makes sense given the recent changes to the paid API. An assumptions of good faith was once a well-held principle on this website, and it's too bad legacy media has led so many astray. Hatred for Musk has truly captured many otherwise very logical minds.

The assumption of good faith for Elon Musk disappeared the moment that he baselessly called someone a pedophile for criticizing him.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by lolinder »

ikrenji wrote: post #519
lmeyerov wrote: post #329

Apparently their 5-year cloud contract failed to renew today So, there may be a much simpler explanation for why their new rate limits on regular users to can-barely-scroll levels, and how that has all sorts of unintended consequences they weren't ready for

google wouldn't just shut off services for a big customer like that...

If someone completely stops paying the bills, it doesn't really matter how high of a roller they are, you can't keep serving them indefinitely.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by JPws_Prntr_Fngr »

NegativeK wrote: post #481
unconed wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except, progress grinding to a halt pretty much described Twitter before Elon Musk too. The story that anyone who knew anything was let go is just that, a story, as the number of employees by year shows Twitter, and other tech companies in the same period, overhired and then went back to pre-2020 levels. The only difference between then and now is that there is a big personality at the top who now personifies everyth…

> The subtext is that Twitter changing hands also involved trimming a lot of the dead weight, particularly hitting the ... diversity ... side. Your statement is gross.

His statements were dumb in many ways, but your hand-wringing is gross and un-constructive.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by anigbrowl »

kvetching wrote: post #4

Could this be the reason for the rate limiting? Elon thinks the server usage is scrapers when in reality it's just bad code causing a self DDOS?

This could explain why my computer fan goes into overdrive when trying to read Twitter, has been going on for a few months but I don't care enough to figure it what's going on in the bg

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by jlund-molfese »

goalieca wrote: post #516
Topfi wrote: post #126

Speaking from very painful, personal experience, few things are more agitating than being forced to execute on something you fully know is a horrible idea, especially when you tried and failed to communicate this fact to the individual pushing you to go against your best judgement. Even more so when that person later loudly proclaims that they never made such a request, even when provided with written proof. I can of…

I’ll play the devils advocate here but frontend devs need to smarten up. This is basic error handling that should have been in place for years. Blocking tweets with 403 or whatever they chose shouldn’t trigger endless retries on short intervals.. ever!

I’d bet (not that much, but like $20) that someone has a .ifClientError() or if responseStatus === 4xx somewhere.

If you’ve never had to handle authorization in a particular area, it might have been safe to assume that any 4xx error should have been retried when the code was originally written and someone didn’t write them all out

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by contravariant »

WalterBright wrote: post #486
Scalene2 wrote: post #463

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except those who if they stopped working at Twitter could easily end up deported.

Having to leave the country and return home is not the same as slavery.

I'm inclined to agree with that definition.

But where on earth does deportation not constitute force?

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by bloopernova »

beaned wrote: post #442
unconed wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except, progress grinding to a halt pretty much described Twitter before Elon Musk too. The story that anyone who knew anything was let go is just that, a story, as the number of employees by year shows Twitter, and other tech companies in the same period, overhired and then went back to pre-2020 levels. The only difference between then and now is that there is a big personality at the top who now personifies everyth…

There's definitely a strong element of people here rooting for Twitter to fail because they dislike Elon's politics.

Fascists don't have politics, they have hatred.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by giovannibonetti »

goalieca wrote: post #516
Topfi wrote: post #126

Speaking from very painful, personal experience, few things are more agitating than being forced to execute on something you fully know is a horrible idea, especially when you tried and failed to communicate this fact to the individual pushing you to go against your best judgement. Even more so when that person later loudly proclaims that they never made such a request, even when provided with written proof. I can of…

I’ll play the devils advocate here but frontend devs need to smarten up. This is basic error handling that should have been in place for years. Blocking tweets with 403 or whatever they chose shouldn’t trigger endless retries on short intervals.. ever!

Maybe the frontend team and QA were never made aware that 403 errors could be triggered like this.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by lolinder »

agonz253 wrote: post #399
justinhj wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do people oppose Twitter? It's a social network, you can choose not to use it.

Putting the personality of the owner aside, they have been running an experiment for the last few months on how to operate a tech company, overworking your engineers and treating them like replaceable automata. Do you want them to succeed and set that as an example for others to follow?

Yep. And it's hard to separate the personality of the owner from this—the more successful Musk is, the more that he's seen as the next Steve Jobs, the higher my odds of ending up working for a Musk wannabe. He is not a good leader, and the sooner his leadership style blows up in his face the better for all of us.
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