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Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by kstrauser »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #130
sleepycatgirl wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is.. quite opposite from the experience I have had. I have discussed a fair amount of topics, it was civil, and things were fine. Though, the only time when I did see that happen, was when someone was transphobic, homophobic, racist and such.

>Though, the only time when I did see that happen, was when someone was transphobic, homophobic, racist and such “I mean, when all the wrong and bad people are kicked out everything is great!” No one is complaining about people with Ford vs Chevy comments being banned. It’s the controversial things that need to be refuted, not hidden. What makes you so absolutely certain you are on the “right side” of any opinion? Be…

I run a Mastodon instance. You don't have to see eye to eye with me or my users to talk to us. However, I have defederated from instances that host:

* Loli porn

* Extreme neo-Nazi content; I'm talking about swastikas, hardcore racial slurs, and the like

* Targeted bullying and harassment

You want to spark a conversation about the relative merits of Republican fiscal policy, let's chat! You want to say that we should still own slaves, Jews eat babies, or gay people shouldn't exist? Go away. I don't owe you a soapbox.

Disconnecting from a server with despicable content doesn't take away that server's right to speak. It just preserves my -- and my users' -- right not to hear it.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by epistasis »

concordDance wrote: post #327
epistasis wrote: post #286

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One thing about having leadership that is known to lie about anything or everything, for any sort of imagined personal gain, is that the very concept of truth is destroyed. I agree that this is probably not the bug at the root of it all. But I also don't believe the story that Musk is selling for why he's in effect shutting down the site. But both could be true and I'm still thinking about other potential reasons, a…

> One thing about having leadership that is known to lie about anything or everything, for any sort of imagined persona gain I will note that the few times I investigated claims of Elon lies they were not proper lies, either being misunderstood, misleading (which IS unethical, don't get me wrong), of indeterminate truth value (he said, she said type stuff), delusional optimism or actually true. Like journalists, Musk…

I don't want to quibble about semantics, but habitual behavior of this sort just falls under the category of "liar" for me.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by evan_ »

aeyes wrote: post #272

This bug is very unlikely to be the reason. The rate limiter on the server side is cheap and the frontend bug only gets triggered with the rate limit active. I have seen similar bugs in the systems I oversee because network libraries love to retry requests without sane limitations by default. But I never saw them make our rate limiters sweat. It's slightly more annoying when they hit an API which actually does some e…

I don’t think it’s necessarily saying the self-inflicted DDoS has caused a technical issue that’s forced them to shut down access. I think it’s possible that shutting down anonymous access caused the DDoS, which led to giant spikes in some metric, which led them (Elon) to conclude that there was an uptick in scraping, so they imposed the 600/tweet/day limit to punish scrapers.

Seems like either my quota reset or they changed the policy because I’m able to access the site again.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by kstrauser »

bigbillheck wrote: post #122
redox99 wrote: post #109

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On Mastodon simply discussing certain topics will get you banned, and instances that don't ban those users get defederated. I prefer Twitter in the sense that it's more laissez faire in terms of what kinds of speech get you banned.

What kind of topics would those be?

"Oh, you know."

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by kstrauser »

echelon wrote: post #147
redox99 wrote: post #109

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On Mastodon simply discussing certain topics will get you banned, and instances that don't ban those users get defederated. I prefer Twitter in the sense that it's more laissez faire in terms of what kinds of speech get you banned.

> On Mastodon simply discussing certain topics will get you banned, and instances that don't ban those users get defederated. This is why P2P is superior. Federation nodes can be used to strong-arm collective behavior against the will of individual users. I don't mind being exposed to liberal and conservative thought. I want to consume almost the entire spectrum of human discourse so that I can synthesize ideas for m…

> I want to consume almost the entire spectrum of human discourse

...said no one who's ever been a moderator.

You find out quickly that there are some perfectly horrid people out there. You absolutely do not want to hear everything that people say. It seems like you would, but you really don't.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by Dma54rhs »

threeseed wrote: post #304
pavel_lishin wrote: post #274

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> Well "forced to execute" is somewhat subjective. If you are convinced leadership is doing the "wrong thing," then best to either leave or accept that you're just collecting your paycheck. Я, Unless your visa is sponsored by your employer.

And you have a young family. And it's a tough market where 5% of IT engineers across the board have recently been let go. Even non visa holders at Twitter have had to wait it out, sometimes months, until a suitable job was found.

Cry me a river, IT workers especially the ones working for SV companies are one of the most privileged people out there.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by lrvick »

Topfi wrote: post #126

Speaking from very painful, personal experience, few things are more agitating than being forced to execute on something you fully know is a horrible idea, especially when you tried and failed to communicate this fact to the individual pushing you to go against your best judgement. Even more so when that person later loudly proclaims that they never made such a request, even when provided with written proof. I can of…

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