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Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by kelvinjps »

misnome wrote: post #171
echelon wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> On Mastodon simply discussing certain topics will get you banned, and instances that don't ban those users get defederated. This is why P2P is superior. Federation nodes can be used to strong-arm collective behavior against the will of individual users. I don't mind being exposed to liberal and conservative thought. I want to consume almost the entire spectrum of human discourse so that I can synthesize ideas for m…

Then just make your own instance? Or is the complaint that you don’t have the power to force yourself on people who don’t want to read your shit?

I think that with p2p you don't have to think of servers and still be decentralized like downloading a torrent file, peertube etc

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by LexiMax »

shawnc wrote: post #174

My 14yr old daughter sent me this screenshot the other day with the comment "I think that one sentence sums up twitter pretty well". https://capture.dropbox.com/GqgTAxRimqAXzrdo

> "What's happening?"

That's a very good question.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by lamontcg »

avl999 wrote: post #225
lamontcg wrote: post #143

I think we're about at the point where the people who predicted chaos at twitter after Elon basically fired most of the experienced engineers have been proven correct. The duct tape is all coming apart at the seams now. It isn't quite as decisive as a submarine imploding, and ceasing to exist, but it has turned into a brightly burning tirefire.

I am not disagreeing with you but self-ddos is not entirely uncommon. When I worked at Amazon this would happen a few times a year. Not on the main amazon.com website but on supporting services often initiated by but not limited to kindle devices. Having something like this slip through the cracks of even experienced engineers isn't uncommon.

Yeah it happened when I worked at Amazon as well. I also more recently worked pretty closely with people at Facebook and knew something about the issues they would occasionally have (which didn't match what the headline speculations were at all). But twitter is repeatedly having these kinds of issues.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by Marazan »

Marazan wrote: post #251
terminatornet wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

right? it's a shame hacker news doesn't let you reply to old comments, there's a few threads I'd like to follow up on from people who refused to believe Elon was destroying twitter

I think I had someone do the old sarcastic "remind me of this in one year" under one of my posts predicting technical doom for Twitter. Definitely a good one to revisit.

Found it, in response to me saying Twitter was dead but it just didn't realise it yet a poster said

"i'm favoriting this so i can come back to it, like that dropbox comment."

Delicious.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by samb1729 »

nwoli wrote: post #269

Seems like it might not even be a bug. Elon says they limited it to 600 viewed tweets per day which is an insane limit. Most people would go through that in 5 minutes of scrolling

I noticed the frontend hammering the backend for the past few weeks, so I suspect that these new rate limits are a response to that, even if Musk wouldn't publicly admit it.

I don't doubt that Twitter saw a massive increase in traffic recently, but I feel at least somewhat confident that it's mostly self-inflicted on Twitter's part.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by danShumway »

DecXicon-28 wrote: post #249

Not as people imagine , the selfDDOS bug that occurs does not burden requests to the Twitter system, but becomes a loop for users requesting access.

I do think this probably isn't the reason for rate-limiting tweets so harshly; I don't know for sure, but I suspect this isn't a technical issue and it is legitimately Elon snapping and just implementing a wildly bad business decision.

But that being said, a loop of users requesting access from Twitter's system is a thing that would burden Twitter's system.

Requesting access and denying access isn't free. You can definitely DDOS your own website by having all of your users repeatedly request access to it in a loop.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by mkl »

viraptor wrote: post #255
shawnc wrote: post #174

My 14yr old daughter sent me this screenshot the other day with the comment "I think that one sentence sums up twitter pretty well". https://capture.dropbox.com/GqgTAxRimqAXzrdo

Fyi, on mobile the image doesn't load and the download link is broken.

Loads fine for me on Firefox Android (but I don't get which sentence is supposed to sum up Twitter).

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Post by badwolf »

qwerasdf5 wrote: post #234
simonw wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Complex systems like Twitter don't break overnight when you lay off the talented engineers. They deteriorate piece-by-piece, potentially over the course of many months, until the compounding effects of these problems and the growing technical debt overwhelms the team that they have left.

Which pieces have deteriorated?

This thread talking about twitter effectively DDoSing itself, for start...

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by beebmam »

Topfi wrote: post #126

Speaking from very painful, personal experience, few things are more agitating than being forced to execute on something you fully know is a horrible idea, especially when you tried and failed to communicate this fact to the individual pushing you to go against your best judgement. Even more so when that person later loudly proclaims that they never made such a request, even when provided with written proof. I can of…

A union vote is the only way to save that platform. Either unionize or let the company die.

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Post by lamontcg »

shon wrote: post #246
lamontcg wrote: post #143

I think we're about at the point where the people who predicted chaos at twitter after Elon basically fired most of the experienced engineers have been proven correct. The duct tape is all coming apart at the seams now. It isn't quite as decisive as a submarine imploding, and ceasing to exist, but it has turned into a brightly burning tirefire.

I have to disagree. If you honestly take the emotion and politics out of this and evaluate on merit alone, what do you think? Twitter wasn’t healthy before Musk bought it. It wasn’t a thriving business, it was a very old, very large startup still struggling to find market fit and loosing a lot of money. Also, it wasn’t a thriving product. It was stagnant. Since Twitter was purchased, the amount of features they have…

https://www.npr.org/2022/11/25/1139180002/twitter-loses-50-t...

Yeah, it is going great.

I see HackerNews is counterintuitively up its own ass again.

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