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Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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My 14yr old daughter sent me this screenshot the other day with the comment "I think that one sentence sums up twitter pretty well". https://capture.dropbox.com/GqgTAxRimqAXzrdo

I see a giant circle around like 10 sentences, none of which feel like the sum up twitter in any way? After some consideration I guess maybe you're referring to "What's happening?"

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Perfect example of why you don’t just fire all your senior engineers. You can’t debug and root cause if you do. So you end up adding hacky point fixes

I definitely agree. I do think the major issue at Twitter is more managerial than engineering though. They likely could have run Twitter at the same output with the current team. The problem is a CEO who is learning on the job by altering basically everything at a superfast pace.

The root cause is business & feature experimentation at scale with a tight runway & no executive oversight.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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post #7

This is interesting. Judging from the screenshot, a huge amount of GET /TweetDetail is generated which triggers some rate limiting, as shown by the 429. If this is indeed due to the recent decision to enforce authentication for all API calls, it means the curlprit may actually be the API gateway or something similar downstream. Also, this behavior seem to never stop, which isn't what one would expect from an exponent…

Did Elon pay the AWS bill? That seems like a likely culprit. Twitter instances are being forcibly shutdown.

Well, they haven't paid their GCP bill... https://theconversation.com/twitter-is-refusing-to-pay-googl...

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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This kind of stuff is unavoidable with what's going on at Twitter. Infrastructure changes, platform changes and mass layoffs all at once. I'm actually impressed they haven't experienced more and longer outages.

True, the rate of improvements has been insane. I use it pretty often and haven't even noticed a second of unavailability even today and right now, not to say I use it 24/7 though. It's pretty obvious some people have a political bend to their hatred of Twitter so any second something isn't perfect they jump on it. It's really a sad state of affairs really.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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post #272

This bug is very unlikely to be the reason. The rate limiter on the server side is cheap and the frontend bug only gets triggered with the rate limit active. I have seen similar bugs in the systems I oversee because network libraries love to retry requests without sane limitations by default. But I never saw them make our rate limiters sweat. It's slightly more annoying when they hit an API which actually does some e…

One thing about having leadership that is known to lie about anything or everything, for any sort of imagined personal gain, is that the very concept of truth is destroyed.

I agree that this is probably not the bug at the root of it all. But I also don't believe the story that Musk is selling for why he's in effect shutting down the site. But both could be true and I'm still thinking about other potential reasons, a complete waste of my time, but it's a weird mental honeypot.

The book "Nothing is true and everything is possible" describes Putin's use of misinformation to maintain control of the populace and eliminate democratic types of politics, but it really feels like it applies here too. There will always be Musk fanbois who will parrot whatever he wants them to say, but most know it's just self-serving BS. And anybody trying to get to the root of everything gets easily sidetracked into narratives that feel right but have zero data backing them, like this bug.

Anyway, highly recommend this book if you want to see a likely path for the future of the US:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_Is_True_and_Everything...

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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That is.. quite opposite from the experience I have had. I have discussed a fair amount of topics, it was civil, and things were fine. Though, the only time when I did see that happen, was when someone was transphobic, homophobic, racist and such.

>Though, the only time when I did see that happen, was when someone was transphobic, homophobic, racist and such “I mean, when all the wrong and bad people are kicked out everything is great!” No one is complaining about people with Ford vs Chevy comments being banned. It’s the controversial things that need to be refuted, not hidden. What makes you so absolutely certain you are on the “right side” of any opinion? Be…

First they came for the Nazis...

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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This kind of stuff is unavoidable with what's going on at Twitter. Infrastructure changes, platform changes and mass layoffs all at once. I'm actually impressed they haven't experienced more and longer outages.

True, the rate of improvements has been insane. I use it pretty often and haven't even noticed a second of unavailability even today and right now, not to say I use it 24/7 though. It's pretty obvious some people have a political bend to their hatred of Twitter so any second something isn't perfect they jump on it. It's really a sad state of affairs really.

This is absolutely preposterous. Any casual user of the service can rattle off a dozen failing elements going back for months.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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25 years of products being honed for shareholder value, instead of customer or user value. We may be at peak consumer tolerance for anti-pattern, in-app purchase, subscription-model, ad-packed, data-siphoning, dopamine driven, gated experiences.

This is a perfect example of how "shareholder value" is a thought-terminating cliche. Twitter was previously a public company, which was beholden to shareholders, and aimed to try and increase its stock price (as far as "shareholder value" actually means anything, this is basically it). I wouldn't praise previous management (the company wasn't profitable), but they were not a complete dumpster fire. Then Twitter was…

> This is a perfect example of how "shareholder value" is a thought-terminating cliche.

I think "shareholder value" is just a distraction and a rationalization.

The driving force is the MBA-ization of management and people looking to juice short-term profitability so that they can cash out or get large bonuses and then job hop away.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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While there may be huge sections of Twitter content that are like what you describe, I haven't encountered that. Instead I see tons of hyper-focused discussion from very specialized scientists that I wouldn't see otherwise. I see lots of discussion if obscure housing policy, that I wouldn't see otherwise. Now, this has been severely degraded by the changes that Musk has made. The spam in direct messages is off the ch…

Can you share some profiles/contents like this? I've been searching for it and failing miserably

I would scroll through my timeline, but it is now impossible to show you the good content.

Often times the best posters are not the same people publishing the best stuff in their field, but sometimes they are. Aggregators are a different category.

What types of science are you interested in? Some random accounts that I can see right now:

@ShanuMathew93 - renewable energy tech and biz and news

@IdoTheThinking - California housing

@TheStalwart - finance, macroceconomics, microeconomics, etc.

@doctorveera - general genomics

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