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Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by redox99 »

hinkley wrote: post #120
redox99 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On Mastodon simply discussing certain topics will get you banned, and instances that don't ban those users get defederated. I prefer Twitter in the sense that it's more laissez faire in terms of what kinds of speech get you banned.

When someone says, "certain topics will get you banned" that doesn't make me judge the platform, that makes me judge the person. People are going to assume it's something you don't want to name, if you won't name it.

When you name something, then it becomes a flamewar about that something.

But generally speaking, anything that the US/"San Francisco" left wing ideology deems "bad" is generally unwelcome.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by ESMirro »

screye wrote: post #140
hinkley wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When someone says, "certain topics will get you banned" that doesn't make me judge the platform, that makes me judge the person. People are going to assume it's something you don't want to name, if you won't name it.

Come on, in a lot coastal discourse it is practically taboo to mention vanilla opinions that are held by 70+% of the population. Mastodon instances are largely moderated by people from the other 30%. You are free to judge if you want. But don't pretend this is a violation of publicly accepted morals in the 1st world.

It’s amusing you’re perfectly illustrating the OPs point. “Vanilla opinions” is so vague as to be completely meaningless.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by echelon »

hinkley wrote: post #120
redox99 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On Mastodon simply discussing certain topics will get you banned, and instances that don't ban those users get defederated. I prefer Twitter in the sense that it's more laissez faire in terms of what kinds of speech get you banned.

When someone says, "certain topics will get you banned" that doesn't make me judge the platform, that makes me judge the person. People are going to assume it's something you don't want to name, if you won't name it.

I'm LGBT and my spouse is trans. I don't believe you should silence anti-trans rhetoric. I believe you should engage it.

The ability for /r/conservative to ban my counter arguments is just as harmful as Mastodon shutting down the anti-trans positions.

Conversation is what moves us forward and is how we find commonality.

I grew up religious and conservative. I changed a lot of my viewpoints through friendly conversations in the internet of 2000-2010, before tumblrism, cancel culture, and censorship took hold.

If I grew up in today's world or internet, I might never have been exposed to different opinions in a non-hostile, no-judgment environment. By trying to segregate, censor, and ban we're only leading to intractable polarization. Never giving folks an opportunity to change. Never accepting that people are capable of growth.

Please let's talk with each other. Even if we disagree. You'd be surprised how effective that can be.

We're all suffering though this world together. Laugh away our differences and find the ways and the things that we share. We all hold more in common than you might think.

Love your enemy, even if they don't love you (yet).

If I could have one lasting impact on this world, it would be this message.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by pohl »

throwawat7832 wrote: post #95
summerlight wrote: post #83

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> Lest anyone doubt that Twitter was idiotic enough to release code that would cause a race condition and result in its own users executing a DDOS attack on it Given that this is a race condition bug as stated in the original post, it's unlikely something reproducible in a deterministic way. You could probably give it a little bit more attention before leaving this reply...

Has anyone managed to replicate it? If he's claiming it's DDOSing twitter it sounds like it should be happening for multiple users

Yes:

https://waxy.org/2023/07/twitter-bug-causes-self-ddos-possib...

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by [deleted] »

brucethemoose2 wrote: post #33

Also, taking Elon's word at face value for a second... is Twitter really worth scraping for AI training or whatever? Its a hive of misinformation, disinformation and toxicity. Its succinct I guess, but nothing is eloquent or descriptive because of the character limit. And its full of repetitive "filler" information. Who wants that in a foundational LLM dataset? Maybe its OK for finding labeled images... But that stil…

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Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by epistasis »

brucethemoose2 wrote: post #33

Also, taking Elon's word at face value for a second... is Twitter really worth scraping for AI training or whatever? Its a hive of misinformation, disinformation and toxicity. Its succinct I guess, but nothing is eloquent or descriptive because of the character limit. And its full of repetitive "filler" information. Who wants that in a foundational LLM dataset? Maybe its OK for finding labeled images... But that stil…

While there may be huge sections of Twitter content that are like what you describe, I haven't encountered that. Instead I see tons of hyper-focused discussion from very specialized scientists that I wouldn't see otherwise. I see lots of discussion if obscure housing policy, that I wouldn't see otherwise.

Now, this has been severely degraded by the changes that Musk has made. The spam in direct messages is off the charts now, whereas in the past I would get maybe a spam per year. And when one of my areas of interest has a post that gets popular, I have to scroll past all the insipid clout-chasing replies from blue check marks which get floated to the top of replies in an attempt to reward some of the worst people on the internet. Also the long form tweets that need to be expanded are a big deflation of user experience, as reading and replying to those are suboptimal compared to a tweet thread.

But this is also the general internet: 99% spam plus 1% quality. And the quality of the 1% of good Twitter is some of the very best of timer material out there.

And since LLMs have been trained on this same mix... they seem to be mostly good at filtering. But they do lie an awful lot.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by morelisp »

bialpio wrote: post #102
morelisp wrote: post #13

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Around 300. https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7z5px/twitter-employees-on-...

I think that may be outdated. Searching at https://www.uscis.gov/tools/reports-and-studies/h-1b-employe... yields around 60 applications in 2023 (but note that I'm not sure how things are counted given that H-1B is valid for 3 years).

The year is also only half over.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by egypturnash »

0xblinq wrote: post #111
Macha wrote: post #94

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The point of it is that it isn't a company but a standard, so if one instance owner goes crazy and patches ads in you can move to another (or your own) and keep your network

Sorry if this is a dumb question, I’m still new to it. Wouldn’t you have the same problem as with an email address? I mean, your handle or whatever it is called would still point to that instance/owner right? Or is there some kind of “DNS” or registry so you can move your handle to other instances?

You can transfer your account to another Mastodon instance, yeah.
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