Twitter Is DDOSing Itself • Hacker News Board

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by kjkjadksj » Sat, Jul 01, 2023, 9:12 PM UTC

mod50ack wrote: post #90

pronik wrote: post #80

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Early days of Twitter were just like that. Mastodon hasn't had the time to go to shit yet.

Well, it's a FOSS self-hostable server program. Mastodon isn't a service, so it's not susceptible to enshittification per se. A particular Mastodon host, sure. But Mastodon itself is just a codebase.

Make no mistake though, enshittification follows the population. Mastodon is about as protected as html in that sense. Could you build a nice lean mean performant static site in html? Of course, but hardly anyone does that. Most popular sites that you are able to discover these days are enshittified because the incentives favor that.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by agluszak » Sat, Jul 01, 2023, 9:13 PM UTC

pronik wrote: post #80

brucethemoose2 wrote: post #28

Meanwhile, I can see this very Mastadon post with no login just fine. And the interface is not trying to assault me. It loads quick. ...Seems like a better product than Twitter for a public feed.

Early days of Twitter were just like that. Mastodon hasn't had the time to go to shit yet.

Mastodon doesn't have the incentive to go to shit, as there's no company trying to earn as much money as possible behind it.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by sourcecodeplz » Sat, Jul 01, 2023, 9:13 PM UTC

hinkley wrote: post #120

redox99 wrote: post #109

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On Mastodon simply discussing certain topics will get you banned, and instances that don't ban those users get defederated. I prefer Twitter in the sense that it's more laissez faire in terms of what kinds of speech get you banned.

When someone says, "certain topics will get you banned" that doesn't make me judge the platform, that makes me judge the person. People are going to assume it's something you don't want to name, if you won't name it.

Why would you judge the person because some kid somewhere is a trigger happy moderator?

What happened to thinking for yourself?

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jul 01, 2023, 9:13 PM UTC

hinkley wrote: post #120

redox99 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On Mastodon simply discussing certain topics will get you banned, and instances that don't ban those users get defederated. I prefer Twitter in the sense that it's more laissez faire in terms of what kinds of speech get you banned.

When someone says, "certain topics will get you banned" that doesn't make me judge the platform, that makes me judge the person. People are going to assume it's something you don't want to name, if you won't name it.

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Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by kjkjadksj » Sat, Jul 01, 2023, 9:13 PM UTC

candiddevmike wrote: post #91

pronik wrote: post #80

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Early days of Twitter were just like that. Mastodon hasn't had the time to go to shit yet.

How could a decentralized thing go to shit?

Take the current crop of decentralized website as an example. No one forces you to make an enshittified website, people do it on their own accord.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by meepmorp » Sat, Jul 01, 2023, 9:14 PM UTC

LeoPanthera wrote: post #129

golergka wrote: post #116

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Can I read more about this? What topics are banned?

When they say "banned", they mean "if I say grotesquely offensive things, other people will chose not to listen". You know, just like in real life. There are plenty of instances that allow abhorrent content, if that's what you want, but you can't force others to receive it.

Some people confuse the freedom of speech with the right to be listened to.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by VWWHFSfQ » Sat, Jul 01, 2023, 9:14 PM UTC

jug wrote: post #125

ceejayoz wrote: post #117

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“On Mastodon” is like saying “in restaurants”. There’s a wide variety of instances to various tastes.

Yes, but the point being made is that you then choose a more welcoming instance and then it's defederated instead because it allowed your post, so then your Mastodon experience sucks anyway and you only gave yourself an illusion of freedom. I'm not sure how common this issue is but I _can_ say that I've been through a defederation bullshit myself because the large instance did something as egregious as welcoming peop…

Maybe you can make you own instance and then you can have all the swedish government parties you want

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by Brybry » Sat, Jul 01, 2023, 9:14 PM UTC

teawrecks wrote: post #72

bboygravity wrote: post #55

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Most of the rest of the world doesn't agree.

Also most of the rest of the world doesn't use Twitter (I'm seeing about 240M total users?). The ones that do use Twitter do so because of a significant amount of money going into marketing Twitter's platform. Conversely, relatively nothing goes into pushing people to use mastodon. It can only take off if it really does prove, not just useful, but more useful than a centralized version that's got money behind it.

What microblogging service does most of the rest of the world use? Weibo? Telegram channels?

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by 3rdrodeo » Sat, Jul 01, 2023, 9:15 PM UTC

throwawat7832 wrote: post #67

ninth_ant wrote: post #61

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He’s the richest man in the world, and a bully narcissist who punches down as a hobby. He’s not the unpopular ugly kid, he’s the one who attacks those kinds of kids. And he certainly doesn’t need you to defend him.

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Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by screye » Sat, Jul 01, 2023, 9:15 PM UTC

hinkley wrote: post #120

redox99 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On Mastodon simply discussing certain topics will get you banned, and instances that don't ban those users get defederated. I prefer Twitter in the sense that it's more laissez faire in terms of what kinds of speech get you banned.

When someone says, "certain topics will get you banned" that doesn't make me judge the platform, that makes me judge the person. People are going to assume it's something you don't want to name, if you won't name it.

Come on, in a lot coastal discourse it is practically taboo to mention vanilla opinions that are held by 70+% of the population.

Mastodon instances are largely moderated by people from the other 30%. You are free to judge if you want. But don't pretend this is a violation of publicly accepted morals in the 1st world.