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Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

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Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

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I wonder what kind of gun would you need to chase away an orca. I'm going to assume 9mm wouldn't even penetrate their thick skin and subskin fat.

Hopefully no one tries to find out. There's only 50k orcas in the world, they're more valuable than us.

> There's only 50k orcas in the world, they're more valuable than us.

Species diversity is unquestionably important. This small population of intelligent aquatic mammals is unique and beautiful and valuable. The eons of evolutionary hill climbing that led to them cannot be reproduced. They're a distillation of all that has happened to their lineage up to this point, and that's beautiful.

That said, the only apparent species capable of getting us off this rock and avoiding the total annihilation of all life are humans. If we die off and another intelligence emerges later on, all of the easily accessible energy for industrialization and getting us out of the gravity well may be gone. This is our one, best shot.

When our sun dies, none of this will have mattered at all. If we're still stuck on this earth, we may as well have never even existed. A brief brilliant flash that led to nothing and was forgotten.

The existential counter to that is if we can make it beyond our solar system. Maybe we evolve beyond our current biological forms, maybe computers become our custodians, who knows. Maybe some future super intellect revives all of the state leading up to it, and maybe we'll become (or already are) holographic simulations of what once was: memories of our world.

With respect to the geologic timescale and the fate of earth intelligence and biology, humans matter way more than orcas. That isn't to say we shouldn't go to great lengths to preserve orcas. But there's a much bigger story at play, and we shouldn't discount our place in it.

Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That link says: “Owing to the lack of reproducible data, the existence of ball lightning as a distinct physical phenomenon remains unproven”

There are videos of it, and lots of people have seen it, not sure how much more proof you need: > An optical spectrum of what appears to have been a ball lightning event was published in January 2014 and included a video at high frame rate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bBNeyrMOJE I think what that sentence is saying is that we don't know how to reproduce it in a lab. We don't know what exactly is happening in the…

The History channel is junk, sadly. They're perfectly willing to promote false things. Both of the two recordings shown are likely not ball lightning.

I personally agree that ball lightning probably exists. However, there is another interesting phenomenon where a brilliant blue/white "spark" of electricity can travel along a wire. I don't have a name for it but power companies are certainly familiar with it. I've seen footage of it happening repeatedly along the same stretch of wire after a storm as an automated system tried to restore power a few times before keeping the power shut off.

Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

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While I don't much care about the yachts and find the fact that the behaviour is spreading fascinating, my fear out of all this is people will start hurting the whales to try to get them to stop.

Or maybe the orcas will restrict their boat-ramming, people-eating behavior to refugee boats. The powers that be will be happy, just as long as they leave the billion-carrying submarines alone.

Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

#94
post #3

Just add a low voltage electric fence to 2 plates glued underwater at port and starboard. Salt water conducts, also Orca's conduct - some small current flow that will be repellant to the Orca's, but not harmful. They do this to repel carp swimming upriver. one of those, with proper voltage and current limiting should be felt by an orca, but not harm the orca. A little experimentation will find a safe repellant level.

Electric fish barriers generate really strong fields, using buildings' full of power electronics. They are surrounded by fences with prominent warning signs, and if you fall into the water I'm pretty sure you die. So maybe something like this could be "switched on" temporarily -- run on batteries for a few minutes -- but you sure wouldn't want the boat to run with this on all the time. It probably wouldn't even be po…

Small sailboats don’t have that much power available. 1000W solar, 6000 Wh batteries, and separate generator on medium size. Running AC is challenge away from shore for most boats.

Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

#95
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This is not the first time orcas have shown an awareness of us in boats: through the second half of the 1800s orcas in Australia actually helped whalers hunt baleen whales: herding the prey, and even grabbing ropes in their mouths to help haul, in exchange for the most valuable (to them) parts of the carcasses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_whales_of_Eden,_New_Sou... Old Tom, one of the most helpful orcas, die…

Died in 1930 when a whaler tried to bring the carcass in early, before Tom had his share (there was a storm approaching). Tom lost teeth grabbing the tow rope and washed up deceased with oral abscesses some time later.

This was after most of the pod of killer whales had disappeared - thought maybe hunted down in Norway. Whaling is fascinating history. But it is very sad.

Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

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I'd say that orcas are already sentient and have been for a long time.

I'd be willing to argue that "sentient" is a bad word. These creatures are capable of transmitting complicated ideas. That means they have wisdom. This means they are sapient, not sentient. Sentient means they are able to respond to input, but we don't go around and call HTTP servers sentient.

We don’t call HTTP servers sentient because that’s not the definition of sentience. Having a subjective experience defines sentience.

Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

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It got in the news in 2020 when it happened near Gibraltar; since then it has been reported in the news many times, 250 attacks near Gibraltar have been reported. And now last week one near Scotland, and this one this week. Surely if it happened all the time, and it was in the news for so long, it would have been noticed and reported from all over the world?

But the 2020 incident could have just captured the media attention arbitrarily because of good timing. If there had been a similar attack in 1980 would it have captured the media attention so much without the internet? Probably not. I dont know every incident but this one in Scotland involved an orca ramming into a boat and causing zero injuries and no actual damage to the boat. How would this even have been reported…

Yes, I understand your point about the past. But at least since 2020, these things are news, and widely reported.

And if it were normal behaviour, we'd see it reported from everywhere.

Also they damaged a bunch of ships near Gibraltar, and sank three. That would have been reported before 2020.

Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

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post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully no one tries to find out. There's only 50k orcas in the world, they're more valuable than us.

> There's only 50k orcas in the world, they're more valuable than us. Species diversity is unquestionably important. This small population of intelligent aquatic mammals is unique and beautiful and valuable. The eons of evolutionary hill climbing that led to them cannot be reproduced. They're a distillation of all that has happened to their lineage up to this point, and that's beautiful. That said, the only apparent…

Why do you think the universal goal is to get off the planet lol

Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

#100
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This American Life just did a segment where the experts were very skeptical of both the theories presented in this article - that the first encounters near Spain were caused by a traumatic event of a matriarch, and also that orca pods would communicate with each other to spread the behavior. The theory presented in that segment was the first orcas are sort of like rowdy teenagers participating in a fad, and the newer…

something of a coincidence Orcas do go in for fads (look up 'orca salmon hats') but experts oftentimes dismiss things as coincidence because they don't have a theory and don't want to look stupid by speculating. When I was growing up reports of ball lightning were dismissed as hallucinations or optical illusions until video and spectrographic technology advanced sufficiently to capture the phenomenon: https://en.wiki…

I have seen ball lightning here in Alaska. One time, at night. Distance maybe 120 feet away. I watching a glowing orb perhaps 3 feet in diameter drift from the front of my parents garage towards their house before disappearing. An absolutely crystal clear view. I was on the phone with my wife at the time and describing the event to her, it was absolutely chilling to see ! I have never seen anything like it before or after. I should have ran down there and seen if I could sense any after effects, but quite frankly, I was terrified.
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