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Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

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Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A single whaler in 1820 versus a spate of events since a few months back seem rather unrelated, orcas have not been ramming boats all over for the last two centuries. Though I guess it’s possible that they’re also avenging or preemptively defending themselves.

not a lot of people knew how to write back then?

But a lot of people knew how to tell stories in bars and a lot of people who knew how to write spent time in bars.

Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

#52

I dont really get how this is suggested seriously as a new behavior. The inspiration for Moby Dick, one of the most read books in English, was based on a ship sunk my sperm whales: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essex_(whaleship) Yes I know orcas and sperm whales are different, but its weird that this is suggested a new behavior in general. And not just a new counting of something that has been going on for centuries.

A single whaler in 1820 versus a spate of events since a few months back seem rather unrelated, orcas have not been ramming boats all over for the last two centuries. Though I guess it’s possible that they’re also avenging or preemptively defending themselves.

A single whaler in 1820 versus a spate of events since a few months back seem rather unrelated

Only if you assume that the inspirational event in 1820 was the only time it happened.

I don't think the Georgians had the ability or inclination to document every time a whale took down a ship around the whole planet.

Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

#53
I've never believed that orcas have always left humans alone. I think they began leaving humans alone when commercial whaling took off and they witnessed first hand how dangerous humans can be to whales. Maybe that generational memory is now fading.

Yeah I know the argument that humans are too bony and taste bad, but how would they know we taste bad if they never even take a nibble to taste test us? These are very intelligent mammals, they should be curious about how we taste. Am I to believe that sharks are more inquisitive and willing to experiment with food than orcas?

Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

#54
post #15

This American Life just did a segment where the experts were very skeptical of both the theories presented in this article - that the first encounters near Spain were caused by a traumatic event of a matriarch, and also that orca pods would communicate with each other to spread the behavior. The theory presented in that segment was the first orcas are sort of like rowdy teenagers participating in a fad, and the newer…

something of a coincidence

Orcas do go in for fads (look up 'orca salmon hats') but experts oftentimes dismiss things as coincidence because they don't have a theory and don't want to look stupid by speculating. When I was growing up reports of ball lightning were dismissed as hallucinations or optical illusions until video and spectrographic technology advanced sufficiently to capture the phenomenon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning

Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

#55
post #15

This American Life just did a segment where the experts were very skeptical of both the theories presented in this article - that the first encounters near Spain were caused by a traumatic event of a matriarch, and also that orca pods would communicate with each other to spread the behavior. The theory presented in that segment was the first orcas are sort of like rowdy teenagers participating in a fad, and the newer…

> orcas are sort of like rowdy teenagers participating in a fad That sounds more amazing to me than the theory of the traumatic event, an Ocra equivalent to a TikTok trend.

But why not? They're intelligent, social animals.

Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

#56

I've never believed that orcas have always left humans alone. I think they began leaving humans alone when commercial whaling took off and they witnessed first hand how dangerous humans can be to whales. Maybe that generational memory is now fading. Yeah I know the argument that humans are too bony and taste bad, but how would they know we taste bad if they never even take a nibble to taste test us? These are very in…

Sharks are dumb. They’re not experimenting they’re making mistakes.

Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

#57
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm skeptical anything (reasonable) would be able to shoot through several feet of water.

Harpoon guns are designed to do exactly that.

yea, let's equip boats that can't handle an orca with guns that shoot projectiles through meters of water

it's like trying to solve school shooting, by giving teachers guns

Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

#58

I dont really get how this is suggested seriously as a new behavior. The inspiration for Moby Dick, one of the most read books in English, was based on a ship sunk my sperm whales: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essex_(whaleship) Yes I know orcas and sperm whales are different, but its weird that this is suggested a new behavior in general. And not just a new counting of something that has been going on for centuries.

A single whaler in 1820 versus a spate of events since a few months back seem rather unrelated, orcas have not been ramming boats all over for the last two centuries. Though I guess it’s possible that they’re also avenging or preemptively defending themselves.

It was a single well-documented event with survivors to tell the story. And the story of the survivors itself is a harrowing tale. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essex_(whaleship) It's entirely possible there were other incidents and the loss of ship and crew was just written off to "lost at sea".

Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

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I've never believed that orcas have always left humans alone. I think they began leaving humans alone when commercial whaling took off and they witnessed first hand how dangerous humans can be to whales. Maybe that generational memory is now fading. Yeah I know the argument that humans are too bony and taste bad, but how would they know we taste bad if they never even take a nibble to taste test us? These are very in…

Sharks are dumb. They’re not experimenting they’re making mistakes.

Sharks are much dumber than orcas but that's not saying much. They do take experimental nibbles on people, and occasionally follow through and actually eat people.

Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

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post #50

Not going to lie, friends: I’m rooting for the whales.

The orcas are attacking small sailboats, which tend to have less of an environmental impact… less engine use, quiet, fewer people on board, very small scale fishing (if at all). It’s weird to be rooting against this sort of ship when cruise ships and trawlers are the real problem - and also pretty difficult to attack. Will you count it as a success if people favor larger powerboats over small sailboats?
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