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Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

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Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

#31

It's a bit surprising that something like this didn't start happening sooner. It's not as if one can expect to mosey through the territory of large intelligent land predators completely unassailed.

Well if you're in a vehicle you can. I suppose the equivalent of this would be a rash of rural road incidents with grizzly bears attacking cars.

Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

#32
post #25

I wonder what kind of gun would you need to chase away an orca. I'm going to assume 9mm wouldn't even penetrate their thick skin and subskin fat.

I'm skeptical anything (reasonable) would be able to shoot through several feet of water.

Harpoon guns are designed to do exactly that.

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#33

Orcas are orcanizing! Orcas are cultural animals that are similar to us in that fads are a thing for them. A while back they had a fad where they'd kill a salmon and wear it as a hat. I think this is a fad, they're having fun, it'll pass. These headlines are so fun!

Hopefully a nefarious actor doesn't start training the orcas to engage in criminal activity. It has happened before with penguins, please refer to the excellent documentary, Batman Returns.

Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

#34

I dont really get how this is suggested seriously as a new behavior. The inspiration for Moby Dick, one of the most read books in English, was based on a ship sunk my sperm whales: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essex_(whaleship) Yes I know orcas and sperm whales are different, but its weird that this is suggested a new behavior in general. And not just a new counting of something that has been going on for centuries.

This comment is strange. Sperm whale from Moby dick's era routinely flight back when harpooned.

Today's killer whale behavior is clearly new, and nearly the only violent behavior seen in any whale in a hundred years. .. and with multiple recent reports, it is a new trend.

Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

#35

Orcas are orcanizing! Orcas are cultural animals that are similar to us in that fads are a thing for them. A while back they had a fad where they'd kill a salmon and wear it as a hat. I think this is a fad, they're having fun, it'll pass. These headlines are so fun!

> Orcas are orcanizing!

You might even say they’re orcastrating these attacks. It’s delphinidaely something worth paying attention to.

Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

#36

I dont really get how this is suggested seriously as a new behavior. The inspiration for Moby Dick, one of the most read books in English, was based on a ship sunk my sperm whales: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essex_(whaleship) Yes I know orcas and sperm whales are different, but its weird that this is suggested a new behavior in general. And not just a new counting of something that has been going on for centuries.

This comment is strange. Sperm whale from Moby dick's era routinely flight back when harpooned. Today's killer whale behavior is clearly new, and nearly the only violent behavior seen in any whale in a hundred years. .. and with multiple recent reports, it is a new trend.

I'm skeptical it is new. An orca ran into a boat causing no injuries or real damage. If this had happened 10 years ago would it have been reported in any way - either on the news or by a database?

I think an easier explanation is someone started tracking this and now boat owners know to report it, because they have heard that someone is tracking it.

There is now an Orca Reporting form: https://www.theca.org.uk/orcas/interaction-report-form

I believe it is only running since 2020. I realize the argument you are making is that it was created/publicized AFTER a couple orca attacks. I'm suggesting that if this online portal had existed for anytime in history you would have gotten reports consistently. I would wager this is mostly, if not all, an observation bias.

Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

#37
post #27

I dont really get how this is suggested seriously as a new behavior. The inspiration for Moby Dick, one of the most read books in English, was based on a ship sunk my sperm whales: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essex_(whaleship) Yes I know orcas and sperm whales are different, but its weird that this is suggested a new behavior in general. And not just a new counting of something that has been going on for centuries.

Orcas haven't been ramming boats for decades. Now, all of a sudden, we're seeing the behavior crop up all over the place. This is new behavior that is being communicated and taught. Imagine when they discover that there are calorie sources aboard the ships. Orcas are known to eat terrestrial mammals such as swimming deer and moose. They've been observed hunting swimming dogs.

If they wanted to eat humans they had plenty of chances. Incidents where an orca attacked a human are rare, with the notable exception of orcas in captivity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orca_attacks

Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

#38
post #3

Just add a low voltage electric fence to 2 plates glued underwater at port and starboard. Salt water conducts, also Orca's conduct - some small current flow that will be repellant to the Orca's, but not harmful. They do this to repel carp swimming upriver. one of those, with proper voltage and current limiting should be felt by an orca, but not harm the orca. A little experimentation will find a safe repellant level.

orcas are really really big though (~6000lbs)? seems like this might not scale up… or if it did it might be deadly for smaller creatures?

it's HN, second order effects are not important to the product

Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

#39

Orcas are orcanizing! Orcas are cultural animals that are similar to us in that fads are a thing for them. A while back they had a fad where they'd kill a salmon and wear it as a hat. I think this is a fad, they're having fun, it'll pass. These headlines are so fun!

> A while back they had a fad where they'd kill a salmon and wear it as a hat.

It was the 80s, dude. Big hair was radical!

https://www.gearrice.com/update/in-the-80s-an-orca-made-it-f...

Re: Orca rams into yacht near Scotland, suggesting the behavior may be spreading

#40
post #25

I wonder what kind of gun would you need to chase away an orca. I'm going to assume 9mm wouldn't even penetrate their thick skin and subskin fat.

Hopefully no one tries to find out. There's only 50k orcas in the world, they're more valuable than us.
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