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Apollo is dead. Long live Apollo

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Re: Apollo is dead. Long live Apollo

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RedReader for Android, and Dystopia for iOS were both granted exemptions to the new API pricing by Reddit due to their accessibility and non-commercial nature.

Joey on Android with text to speech feature also seems to be working. The developer has been very quiet throughout ordeal, hopefully there's an exemption as well.

Re: Apollo is dead. Long live Apollo

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I'm going to miss reddit. I was one of the people who came over from digg. I deleted the app and stopped using the site when the protest happened. There's a missing itch for me for short to medium form content that isn't straight news, or straight memes. A thousand person discord server works differently than a 10k person reddit.

Part of me wonders if this is inevitable. We used to do this ever few years. Hoping from aim/man/yahoo to Skype to discord. I guess we figured things had gotten stable enough. Maybe this is a good thing. Maybe we all got too comfortable and thought our content consumption habits could stay the same for ever. The internet has changed from when I first got on Reddit. I wont say for better or worse. I don't like it as much.

Re: Apollo is dead. Long live Apollo

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post #286
post #42

I remember signing up for Reddit as a college freshman. I was a digg user and joined Reddit in the aftermath of that fiasco. I sometimes laugh looking over my post history for the past decade plus. If you read the posts linearly, you can trace my evolution from a kid arguing passionately over politics and culture (things he didn't really know much about), to a more mature young adult who rarely waded into discussions…

As a Reddit user I'm a bit puzzled by these death or Reddit posts. I use Reddit by going to reddit.com with the old settings and it works just the same. Does the death of some third party app really matter? It would be like saying HN is gone because some 3rd party app on it that I've never heard of is gone. Honestly a bit puzzled.

The third party apps supported two important functions that the official Reddit app sucks at:

1) Reading assistance for people with sight impairment. Reddit has granted a pass for some apps on this basis though.

2) Moderation and Modmail. For people on the move, or, for example, where you're in front of a business PC or laptop all day, with Web restrictions or personal use policies. The mobile apps were extremely useful for moderation.

I did use the Boost app, but have moved to the official Reddit one for mod work; it's buggy and prone to erroring when trying to complete an action so you have to keep repeating things to make them 'stick'.

This is why the mods are up in arms because it's hard work at the best of times.

Re: Apollo is dead. Long live Apollo

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post #28

RedReader for Android, and Dystopia for iOS were both granted exemptions to the new API pricing by Reddit due to their accessibility and non-commercial nature.

With all due respect to the developer of Dystopia, the experience compared to Apollo is subpar.

I tried twice already to use Dystopia, but I can’t really force myself. Probably just for the best to give up on Reddit.

Re: Apollo is dead. Long live Apollo

#305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/15/23762868/reddit-ceo-steve... > Huffman has argued the changes are a business decision to force AI companies training on Reddit’s data to pony up, but they’re also wiping out some beloved Reddit apps, and thousands of subreddits have gone dark for days in protest. … They want to charge for what they believe the data is worth. Not for usage, but value.

> They want to charge for what they believe the data is worth. Counter argument: it’s not their data to charge for. And if they want to claim it is their data then they should be held accountable for the content therein. I’m not saying they shouldn’t recoup costs for access to said data. You do after all pay taxes and get access to local libraries and archives. But they shouldn’t be extorting third-party developers.

I agree.

They built a platform so that we could create communities and manage them how we want to.

We posted information. We created content. We exchanged ideas, had discussions, and we all helped each other.

I’m fine with them recouping their costs. I’m fine with them even making a bit off of it. However,

> I'll cut to the chase: 50 million requests costs $12,000, a figure far more than I ever could have imagined.

> For reference, I pay Imgur (a site similar to Reddit in user base and media) $166 for the same 50 million API calls.

My understanding is that Christian is grandfathered into an older plan on Imgur. Having said that, the Mega plan is $10,000 per month for 150,000,000 requests. If we use this pricing, 50,000,000 api calls is $3,333.34 (vs Reddit’s $12,000)

https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_ca...

https://rapidapi.com/imgur/api/imgur-9/pricing

Re: Apollo is dead. Long live Apollo

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post #121
post #42

I remember signing up for Reddit as a college freshman. I was a digg user and joined Reddit in the aftermath of that fiasco. I sometimes laugh looking over my post history for the past decade plus. If you read the posts linearly, you can trace my evolution from a kid arguing passionately over politics and culture (things he didn't really know much about), to a more mature young adult who rarely waded into discussions…

Well said. Although one aspect that makes this both sadder and stranger is that we all watched Twitter do the same thing just a few months ago with awful results. Sure, the sites will still live for a long time, but the versions that existed as of last year are forever gone.

Don’t worry too much. It’s a cycle, new sites will appear to fill the gap and they will go through approximately the same evolution.

Re: Apollo is dead. Long live Apollo

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The user data gets submitted to multiple servers and retrieved from multiple servers. Users can add their own servers if they like too. Can you give us more details? How can you do this without creating double posts from multiple accounts?

Each action from the user (post, comment, votes etc) are signed by their private key. The resulting signature is sent along with the public key. The servers and clients all verify the signature with that public key.

Wait, so using the same private keys on multiple accounts on separate instance can work? When you post a comment from all those accounts with the same private keys at the same time, the servers will accept only one of them? How does replies work? Will replies to your comment get sent to just one instance or all your user accounts in other instances as well. Is this only works on lemmy or is it a hack that's not always supported by all ActivityPub implementations?

Sorry for the barrage of questions. I knew that accounts already have private keys associated with them, but I didn't know it's possible to use them at the same times across multiple instances without any negative impact.

Re: Apollo is dead. Long live Apollo

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post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Reddit user I'm a bit puzzled by these death or Reddit posts. I use Reddit by going to reddit.com with the old settings and it works just the same. Does the death of some third party app really matter? It would be like saying HN is gone because some 3rd party app on it that I've never heard of is gone. Honestly a bit puzzled.

The third party apps supported two important functions that the official Reddit app sucks at: 1) Reading assistance for people with sight impairment. Reddit has granted a pass for some apps on this basis though. 2) Moderation and Modmail. For people on the move, or, for example, where you're in front of a business PC or laptop all day, with Web restrictions or personal use policies. The mobile apps were extremely use…

> Reddit has granted a pass for some apps on this basis though.

But with two major caveats. This is only for non-profit apps, which excludes almost all of them. For Android there is only RedReader now and for iOS there are Luna and Dystopia left.

And still without any NSFW content.

Re: Apollo is dead. Long live Apollo

#309
post #9

RIP Bacon Reader. Reddit, you’ve burned so much goodwill. I’ve been an enthusiastic user for over 14 years. Now I’m planning to delete my content. At one point recently, I got excited about applying for an engineering leadership position with you, but this debacle has made me realize your senior leadership is not who I want to be reporting to.

What I'll miss most from BaconReader is the Android widgets, which as far as I can tell, are not available through either the official app or anything else. It was super convenient to be able to display a sub or /r/all on my phone's home pages, and I used it every day to keep up with current events or my favorite hobbies without needing to open any apps. For many years that's been a core part of how I use my phone, a…

Apollo had a slew of widgets for a variety of use cases. In fact the Apollo dev was quick to jump on many of the new ios APIs and had many nifty little features that will never make it to the official app.

Guess it’s all a moot point by now.

Re: Apollo is dead. Long live Apollo

#310
post #42

I remember signing up for Reddit as a college freshman. I was a digg user and joined Reddit in the aftermath of that fiasco. I sometimes laugh looking over my post history for the past decade plus. If you read the posts linearly, you can trace my evolution from a kid arguing passionately over politics and culture (things he didn't really know much about), to a more mature young adult who rarely waded into discussions…

I'm going to press X to doubt. Reddit is infuriatingly sticky. Every time I land on a post from 10+ years ago (like this one [0] for example), I go to the author's profile page. Almost inevitably, they've written a comment within the last week. This is a remarkable property for a social website to have, and it's not one that I see exhibited in other places, like StackOverflow or ancient vBulletin forums. I'd like to…

I have (had) a 9 year old Reddit account, that I unironically grew up with. I created it when I was 12 (sue me COPPA) to comment on a Cookie Clicker subreddit. I remember my cakeday, May 28, 2014.

It really was a lifestyle app. The account had comments on all the games I played as a teenager, fitness and university subreddits, random hobbies I picked up for a few months, basically every single one of my interests for the past decade. I had a NSFW burner that received frequent use. I have to say, you're pretty accurate about how I was basically active and commenting once or more a week for the majority of my conscious life. I started using the RiF app on a god awful 2010 phone when I created my account, and have used Sync since probably 2016.

I blanked then wiped all of my comments and then deleted my account two weeks ago. To be truthful, Reddit had a much different feel already, but nothing can stay constant for that long. It was already frustrating me that (my perceived) quality of discussion on the site has steadily become dumber and any mainstream news or political sub is astroturfed to hell (presumably by the Russians). I started seeing the emoji or "lol who cares" in response to perfectly normal comments. The East Palestine derailment frenzy was what made me realize that the website is definitely attacked by coordinated actors. I spent the last few months on the site browsing /r/neoliberal not because I necessarily agreed with the tenets of the ideology, but because it was one of the few reasonable political subs left, and /r/CredibleDefence for broadly pro-West but reasonable takes on the war.

I slowly realized that I was reading empty content. Much of my time on the site was seeing a clearly stupid, if not false comment, and realizing that the effort I would put in debunking or arguing was going to reach two or three eyeballs. Essentially, much of Reddit is the one eyed preaching to the blind. I frequently typed up long comments (much like this one) for an hour or so, and returned to maybe 4-5 upvotes, since the post had already peaked in popularity. I had a few long posts in /r/summonerschool , a League of Legends advice subreddit that were probably 10x the detail of any other comment advice and took me an hour to watch their gameplay and give specific comments.

In short, I felt I was trying to suck shit water from an Olympic sized pool through a lifestraw and hoping it would clean it up. The 3rd party app ban was a huge fucking slap to my face. Call me arrogant, but I believe I contributed more than my fair share to the running of Reddit by creating high quality discourse on the website. And in return? I get slapped with a shit UI and advertisements up my ass through the official app. And spez's response showed a complete lack of any attention to the website, to any concerns to the community that is most of the value proposition of their site. Their claims to be looking for profit now are transparent as fuck when you remember all their failed, clearly unmonetizable crap they've put dev hours and low interest money on in the past few years (NFTs, the other crypto crap, whatever RPAN was supposed to be). Coast by on institutional inertia while you piss away money, let the website decline in quality, and then aggressively try to monetize from the most loyal users (the decade long user who uses a third party app)? No thanks.

So yeah, I blew up my account. To be honest, I am having some withdrawal symptoms and am trying hard not to relapse, but I see it as the only moral route to proceed. The internet is broadly really quite bad. Twitter is tolerable but has similar ethical issues and quality depends very much on topic. I am getting into Substack, but that is ultimately a newsletter publisher and not a discussion forum. Any non-reddit result on Google is unusable. Maybe the internet will agree on a replacement. Maybe it keeps on spiralling down the enshittification drain. For now, HackerNews occupies the space on my phone's home screen that Reddit used to. I hope the future isn't as crap as I anticipate.

Rant over.

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