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Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Well they killed the API, what did they think would happen? It's easier to control access and rate limit with a proper API.

I despise Musk as much as anyone else and charging for API access has hurt a lot of valuable use cases like improving accessibility but … how about not massive scraping a site that doesn’t want you to?

Oh shit you solved the problem

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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What he means is "we can't deal with a regular amount of traffic because we fired most people, also we don't know the value of SEO"

They’ve done fine with these employees for the last while. Trimming the fat is healthy, especially when Twitter has historically over-hired hard for no reason other than “growth for growth’s sake”. There’s lots of legitimate reasons to criticize, but making a more efficient company and firing valueless employees is not one of them.

Maybe related to the "load issues", maybe not but ny timeline stopped showing images this morning.

Seems just another day at Twitter dot com.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Electricity markets are a prime example of ideology winning over logic. In Australia, the eastern states have a privatised electricity market while Western Australia has a very limited market with agreements to hold a certain amount of gas fuel at a certain price. Currently the price of electricity is significantly higher in the eastern market than the "less free" western one.

There's absolutely no evidence of privatisation driving up costs in Australia. It's the hysterical marching cry of young naive people railing against the ever-increasingly vague boogeyman of neoliberalism but the actual evidence doesn't back it up. You talk about ideology over logic while demonstrating that exact same thing. > The AER report contains no consistent correlation between higher bills and privatisation. >…

Why is it, despite having some of the largest LNG gas resources in the world, the Eastern states of Australia pay more for their LNG than customers in Asia?

Is it a coincidence that Western Australia (WA), a state with the most government regulation in regard to LNG exports also has the lowest LNG prices by a long margin?

In general WA, has the most regulated energy sector with the highest level of public ownership in electricity production and transmission, and by strange coincidence it also has the cheapest gas, cheapest coal and lowest electricity prices.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Facebook news is shutting off in Canada where there are currently wildfires. I'm leaving no comment on why.

Only the Canadian govt. is to blame for this.

In the Australian case Facebook acted in retaliation.

The law was about news media, Facebook shutdown a bunch of unrelated govt services pages in retaliation.

Facebook definitely deserves a lot of blame. Likely in this case too. I'm pro capitalist as much as the next guy but laws are by the people, if a business wants to extract money from our community it needs to play by our rules.

Facebook cutting access is like a badly raised toddler throwing a tantrum.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Well they killed the API, what did they think would happen? It's easier to control access and rate limit with a proper API.

I despise Musk as much as anyone else and charging for API access has hurt a lot of valuable use cases like improving accessibility but … how about not massive scraping a site that doesn’t want you to?

This isn't going to make them stop either. Musk is about to see a spike in account creations using the method of lowest resistance. I expect "sign in with apple" will disappear as an option soon, given its requirement of supporting "hide my email" that makes it trivial to create multiple twitter profiles from one apple ID.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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post #618

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Well they killed the API, what did they think would happen? It's easier to control access and rate limit with a proper API.

I despise Musk as much as anyone else and charging for API access has hurt a lot of valuable use cases like improving accessibility but … how about not massive scraping a site that doesn’t want you to?

It’s funny how being a locust is cool when you’re doing it, and a problem when others do it in a way which affects you.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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For me the main barrier is that I want to have portable/roaming control over my IDENTITY , even if the content hosting is (for now) entirely through a system administered by someone else. If I control the identity, I can at least keep local copies and rehost/repost content later. Instead, it feels like the current Fediverse demands that I make a blind choice to entrust not merely a copy of my content but also my whol…

> For me the main barrier is that I want to have portable/roaming control over my IDENTITY, even if the content hosting is (for now) entirely through a system administered by someone else. If I control the identity, I can at least keep local copies and rehost/repost content later. This is why I want domains as identities to succeed. I want to own my handle on every platform, but I don’t want to self host.

So where is it kept then?

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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post #618

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Well they killed the API, what did they think would happen? It's easier to control access and rate limit with a proper API.

I despise Musk as much as anyone else and charging for API access has hurt a lot of valuable use cases like improving accessibility but … how about not massive scraping a site that doesn’t want you to?

Scraping isn’t illegal, and to be honest, I’m not even sure it’s unethical. I’m assuming you think it so — if so, why? I’m not disagreeing, but haven’t given it much thought.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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"Several hundred organizations (maybe more) were scraping Twitter data extremely aggressively, to the point where it was affecting the real user experience. What should we do to stop that? I’m open to ideas." https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1674898695534309378 "1. Scraping is already disallowed by T&C. 2. The scraping orgs dgaf & mask their IPs through proxy servers or through orgs that appear legit. For example,…

> 3. We absolutely will take legal action against those who stole our data… What does “our” refer to here? Does Twitter (i.e. musk) own the data in any sense? Or does he mean it as “we the people’s data”? Very off-putting to read that sentence. Obviously he’s trying to monetize the user generated data in this LLM rush as other avenues to monetizations have flopped.

This also really sounds like he's trying to pretend his data is some kind of rare commodity, when the reality is that it's bottom of the barrel trash as far as text data for LLMs goes.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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post #618

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Well they killed the API, what did they think would happen? It's easier to control access and rate limit with a proper API.

I despise Musk as much as anyone else and charging for API access has hurt a lot of valuable use cases like improving accessibility but … how about not massive scraping a site that doesn’t want you to?

Does Twitter have that same approach with user data?
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