For $2200 and with this emphasis on secure supply chain, I'd want to watch the thing being built in person while the CEO feeds me grapes.
He should feed me Freedom Fries®
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#52Nobody pays $2000 for a phone, even for the privacy. I’d buy Oculus Quest Pro, if I can use that $2000 for anything.
> I’d buy Oculus Quest Pro, if I can use that $2000 for anything.
I don't get why you'd bring Oculus in this discussion. It's not a phone. And people already pay $2000 for phones. Not mainstream phones, but neither is this phone.
Anyway, in terms of what people would do with $2000, I would rather set the cash on fire than give it to Facebook.
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#53Hell yes, it was just the other day I was thinking to myself “I wish I could feel like an American consumer approximately four months after 9/11”.
Wish granted.
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#54LOL, at some point I was taking this company serious. You are brazenly lying to everyone by saying the electronics are made in USA. Shameful!
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#55If you're wondering why it's so expensive, it's a confluence of factors: - Making things in the us is expensive. This isn't the root cause but leads to the next point... - Phones are low margin devices. Most consumers are intensely price sensitive. Even if a US-made phone cost only $40 more, it'd still be at a serious disadvantage. - Therefore, there's no point in competing on price. The batch size of this is limited…
Assembly in the US is expensive, and what is the benefit to the end user?
We're looking at manufacturing hardware, and considering Mexico for assembly (if anyone has experience with this, please let me know).
Our initial thinking is
1) lower cost than the US 2) geographically closer 2a) lower environmental footprint in shipping 2b) quicker time from assembly to customer 2c) easier to visit the factories, solve problems, manage the relationship 3) the obvious geopolitical/tax/duty implications
I wonder if Purism would have as much impact with Made in the USA, as they would with Made in North America? Or even Made in The Americas - if there are other countries outside of Mexico and Canada that have the requisite manufacturing capabilities.
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#56That font is atrocious. At that Point size, the lower case r and lower case t look identical.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Eh people do pay pretty close to $2k US for those phones with the stupid super fragile and gimmicky folding screens. No idea why.
Because they are really only $300 after finding them on sale or as a carrier promotion to switch and a trade in.
The are people who do pay full price for phones. Not many, but they do exist.
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#58For $2200 and with this emphasis on secure supply chain, I'd want to watch the thing being built in person while the CEO feeds me grapes.
LOL, I'd want to build it myself at that price, with a hot-air tool and microscope. Like they used to offer a build-your-own engine program on the Corvette assembly line.
Huh, I never heard that about the Corvette. Cool.
Apparently they're bringing it back this year.
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#59If you're wondering why it's so expensive, it's a confluence of factors: - Making things in the us is expensive. This isn't the root cause but leads to the next point... - Phones are low margin devices. Most consumers are intensely price sensitive. Even if a US-made phone cost only $40 more, it'd still be at a serious disadvantage. - Therefore, there's no point in competing on price. The batch size of this is limited…
Assembly in the US is expensive, and what is the benefit to the end user? We're looking at manufacturing hardware, and considering Mexico for assembly (if anyone has experience with this, please let me know). Our initial thinking is 1) lower cost than the US 2) geographically closer 2a) lower environmental footprint in shipping 2b) quicker time from assembly to customer 2c) easier to visit the factories, solve proble…
In our current climate more so than just the supply chain oversight that some customers will want and the other customers that will pay a premium to support an alternative to Google/Apple, also unless you are a massive corporation, you are at the back of the line for procurement of components and assembly. The big folks are feeling it too. Localized supply chain is critical to making sure we can have nice things going forward. Some people are willing to put the money up.
Mexico is a very solid place to look. In fact I think over the next five years our partnership with Mexico for manufacturing is going to explode. They have the people and facilities to do the work and are our neighbors.
Purism though, with what they are doing. Like OP at the top of the thread said, is making a statement, and a powerful one, by doing what they are doing and it's part of their mission because they are making phones and people, correctly, have a lot of anxiety about their current ad slabs.
I think your reasoning for Mexico manufacture is on point and you'll really see rewards establishing that production relationship.
If you don't mind me asking, what are you building? Your username says to me guitar pedals. Link?
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#60If you're wondering why it's so expensive, it's a confluence of factors: - Making things in the us is expensive. This isn't the root cause but leads to the next point... - Phones are low margin devices. Most consumers are intensely price sensitive. Even if a US-made phone cost only $40 more, it'd still be at a serious disadvantage. - Therefore, there's no point in competing on price. The batch size of this is limited…
Even if you were to buy into the proposition that "made in the USA" delivers any extra security, the foreign made SOC is such an enormous part of the overall system IMHO that everything else is nearly meaningless. And their table has several rows about PCBs, but do they build their own cameras? If not, where do they source them from? What about microphones and speakers?
[Disclaimer: My employer manufactures phones; I don't speak for them, nor do I work in phone hardware]