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Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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On a related note: any ideas on why Bluesky seems to be taking so long to open to the public? They had a beta program a few months ago, and everyone seemed to love it, and now nothing?

Surely now is the time to capitalise on the discontent on Twitter, even if it means dealing with a few scaling pains.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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It's extremely rough around the edges but getting into fediverse content (mastodon, kbin, lemmy, etc) has been extremely rewarding to me. It's like twitter and reddit but 15 years ago (and by that I mostly mean it's janky and full of bugs. Just like the web was 15 years ago!)

How does fediverse intend to pay for server/developer cost? For new technologies many smart people work for free as long as it excites them and when it just comes to maintenance and fixing bugs it wouldn't be cheap for any technology with so many moving parts. Also, early adopters donate with much higher probability than when the masses arrive.

Coming of age in the late 90s/early 00s we had plenty of forums to choose from, hosted by hobbyists, with nary a monetization scheme in sight. And this was in the era when the tech was far less accessible and the hardware far more expensive. Sure, maybe a modern $5/month VPS running basic forum software isn't going to handle 100,000,000 active users, but it sure will handle 10,000 active users, and that's more than enough to have a healthy community.

(Note: I'm of the opinion that fediverse-style federation in the context of forums is merely a nice-to-have; the web is already naturally federated, and people should not feel bad if they want to save money/tech complexity/administration complexity by settling for ordinary self-hosted forums.)

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Paul Graham famously started to use Mastodon (but has not written anything there since last year). But the HN Status emergency “is HN down” channel is still only on Twitter. It used to be publicly readable at https://twitter.com/HNStatus >. But now, if HN was to go down, only logged-in Twitter users would be able to see why.

>if HN was to go down, only logged-in Twitter users would be able to see why That's probably close to 99% of HN users

I've never had a twitter account...

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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"Several hundred organizations (maybe more) were scraping Twitter data extremely aggressively, to the point where it was affecting the real user experience. What should we do to stop that? I’m open to ideas." https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1674898695534309378 "1. Scraping is already disallowed by T&C. 2. The scraping orgs dgaf & mask their IPs through proxy servers or through orgs that appear legit. For example,…

> 3. We absolutely will take legal action against those who stole our data… What does “our” refer to here? Does Twitter (i.e. musk) own the data in any sense? Or does he mean it as “we the people’s data”? Very off-putting to read that sentence. Obviously he’s trying to monetize the user generated data in this LLM rush as other avenues to monetizations have flopped.

I can't speak for him, just relaying the information.

But I'm happy to speculate: Organizations violated the twitter TOS by scraping, and he's going to sue the organizations for it.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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post #151

Uggh. I only use twitter to follow critical (life-and-death) emergency broadcasts from our local fire department. Is there a viable alternative for them to use now that twitter is going to block most of our county’s residents?

How is any normal person following this department on Twitter without a Twitter account?

Bookmark their page, or have it in a tab, or do a web search whenever you want to look

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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post #110

This killed nitter. Fuck. I guess I'm done with Twitter. Reddit is in Eternal September. Twitter is login-walled. If HN is next, I'll probably be mostly done with the Internet. This version of the Internet is starting to suck. :(

> This version of the Internet is starting to suck. :( Totally! The internet was better before pay walls / auth walls. I get why we're here today, and I get that the last phase was just about acquiring an audience, and getting people hooked, and now this part of getting everyone to pay was always the plan, but this part really does suck. Just feels like all the services lined up to start shitting on users at the same…

If P2P micropayments could somehow have succeeded, then a different Internet could have been possible. Tipping content creators directly is impossible without megacorporations taking a cut, be it Apple, Paypal, Patreon etc, and their unit economics work better with recurring payments, which lands us in subscription hell.

One would almost be tempted to ask for a cheque in the mail like in the old days.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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post #76

Paul Graham famously started to use Mastodon (but has not written anything there since last year). But the HN Status emergency “is HN down” channel is still only on Twitter. It used to be publicly readable at https://twitter.com/HNStatus >. But now, if HN was to go down, only logged-in Twitter users would be able to see why.

>if HN was to go down, only logged-in Twitter users would be able to see why That's probably close to 99% of HN users

That's an extreme overestimate

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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I tried it but I just can't get into the flow of things, it doesn't feel like a lot happens during the day, but maybe i'm on the wrong server? I just want to expel my bowels and doom scroll bad funny memes

Maybe try bluesky

The vaguely detailed, unclear, NIH’d corporate rip-off version that already has privacy concerns (public block list issue) that’s even less developed?

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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post #245

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It's extremely rough around the edges but getting into fediverse content (mastodon, kbin, lemmy, etc) has been extremely rewarding to me. It's like twitter and reddit but 15 years ago (and by that I mostly mean it's janky and full of bugs. Just like the web was 15 years ago!)

For me the main barrier is that I want to have portable/roaming control over my IDENTITY , even if the content hosting is (for now) entirely through a system administered by someone else. If I control the identity, I can at least keep local copies and rehost/repost content later. Instead, it feels like the current Fediverse demands that I make a blind choice to entrust not merely a copy of my content but also my whol…

This is basically the entire point of the Authenticated Transfer Protocol (AT Protocol), which powers Bluesky. I think it does a ton of stuff right, including portable identity backed by solid cryptography (no blockchain or "crypto"!) and has a lot of promise. It's still in development, but I am hopeful that it will live up to its promise.
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