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Re: YouTube is testing a more aggressive approach against ad blockers

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I get that people hate companies but $7 a month for unlimited video on any device with 500 hours uploaded every minute. That's a decent deal. The only drawback is that you don't get Sponsorblock on smart devices. People seem to overestimate how much the average person care about online outrage. Netflix, Reddit, Twitter.. They all seem fine despite being declared dead numerous times.

It's not their content though. Most people upload stuff without any intent to monetize or otherwise control it. YT, like other large sites, was built through mass-scale theft of what was supposed to be public domain works.

Sure it's their servers, but then it's their fault they don't allow redistribution via third party channels.

Re: YouTube is testing a more aggressive approach against ad blockers

#662

If you're on iOS, I highly recommend Yattee[1], a free Youtube app with no ads, background playback and sponsor block built-in. The way they get around App Store restrictions is by claiming that they aren't a Youtube app. They're technically a video-watching app which is supposed to be used with your own personal server. The server API they require, however, is supported by Invidious[2], an open-source, privacy-prese…

There's also NewPipe on Android:

https://newpipe.net/

Re: YouTube is testing a more aggressive approach against ad blockers

#663

Part of the reason youtube ads are so annoying is that many of them are played at random times while you are watching a video. There is no smooth transition to the ad. When watching news or sports on television the announcers will say "And now we're going to a commercial break" and they play some outro music. Then they play some music to welcome you back. When watching a sitcom or drama the script writers plan in the…

Some creators do put in fairly natural ad breaks, since there is an option to manually define where to run ads. RedLetterMedia is the best example that comes to mind; they get to a stopping point and cut to black and then an ad plays, and then they cut back afterwards. If you’re paying for Premium or otherwise blocking ads, it just looks like a segment transition.

The problem is that YouTube has on several occasions actually gone in and added huge numbers of additional automatic ad breaks, showing at random places in the video, and has stated that the “opt-out” is YouTubers manually going in and deleting those new ad breaks for every single video.[1] Most YouTubers don’t care enough to spend the time to manually fix it for every video, or just accept the excuse of “oh, but you get more revenue this way” and don’t bother. So then baking in smooth ad transitions becomes retroactively useless since YouTube is just running ads at random points in the video anyway.

[1]: https://twitter.com/redlettermedia/status/111398430485249228...

Re: YouTube is testing a more aggressive approach against ad blockers

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This is just so funny to me. Google has to have the absolute worst PR for any company I've ever seen to make this happen. Somehow, they've duped the general public (at least on HN) into believing they insert the ads into videos. All they need to do is run a marketing campaign about how as a content creator you get to decide when ads play, whether they're unskippable, and how many ads to place in your video. Blast tha…

Do you not think YouTube will penalize channels for choosing to present less ads? I know that I go with their suggested defaults, on the assumption that I will be punished if I depart from that. I assume that people will run adblockers if they've got any sense: my demographic is probably more likely to do that. I'm on desktop, adblocking the entire internet to the best of my ability. I daresay if YouTube got pushy wi…

No. I don't think they do that. Creators will naturally want to turn on ads because the return is amazing. YouTube just recommends videos that it thinks individual users will enjoy the most.

Re: YouTube is testing a more aggressive approach against ad blockers

#665

I block ads because they're psychological warfare that corporations wage against me. I don't care how unobtrusive the ads are. I don't care if the ads don't track me. I grew up changing the channel on TV when ads came on, and ripping adverts out of magazines before sitting down to read them. I vote for billboard bans whenever I can. I have zero tolerance for ads of any sort. Advertisers have no morals, they're comple…

> I grew up changing the channel on TV when ads came on, and ripping adverts out of magazines before sitting down to read them.

Roger that. Always turning over a full-page ad to verify that no content text would be lost.

And then there's the magazines that put the ads on right-hand pages and the content on left-hand pages.

Re: YouTube is testing a more aggressive approach against ad blockers

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Bloody fools. They don't know what beast they are waking up. Certain portion of ad blocker users are zealots. These people are insane and quite a few of them are quite resourceful. Just a few problems that are going to hit YT:

- torrents and other piracy

- rapidly evolving ad-blockers

- undetectable ad-blockers sitting in a new page layer invisible to page scripts

- visual ML ad-blockers detecting ads no matter how they are loaded

- new ad-free P2P video sharing websites

- influential users discouraging everyone from using YT

- popular content creators moving off YT and advertising other hosting options

Re: YouTube is testing a more aggressive approach against ad blockers

#667

This doesn't really affect me since I subscribe to premium, but something that a lot of ad-based services don't seem to grasp is why people block ads. It's because they've become increasingly obnoxious. Nobody blocked ads when they were a simple column of links in the gutter or maybe an animated GIF banner with 3 frames. No, adblockers became popular because ads kept getting more loud (both visually and audibly), in…

> Nobody blocked ads when they were a simple column of links in the gutter or maybe an animated GIF banner with 3 frames

There were programs way back then that acted as a proxy server that would remove image tags that matched the size used by banner ads. See WebWasher or Proxomitron.

Re: YouTube is testing a more aggressive approach against ad blockers

#668
Since about a year ago, we entered the era of consolidation. The margin call of tech. A decade of outsized unprofitable interest-free investments sure is fun, but there comes a time to pay it back. That time is now.

Companies that are not profitable should very soon be profitable. Companies that are profitable yet are stagnating need to show their next growth. And that's why you have this intensity in amping up monetization across several companies.

You can be absolutely sure that tech leaders are keenly watching the effects of bold moves at Twitter, Reddit, the like. Companies testing the waters to see how far they can go.

We had it coming and probably shouldn't complain that much. As the dutch saying goes: when shaven, sit still. Your expectations are based on party mode, but the party stopped.

Re: YouTube is testing a more aggressive approach against ad blockers

#669

This doesn't really affect me since I subscribe to premium, but something that a lot of ad-based services don't seem to grasp is why people block ads. It's because they've become increasingly obnoxious. Nobody blocked ads when they were a simple column of links in the gutter or maybe an animated GIF banner with 3 frames. No, adblockers became popular because ads kept getting more loud (both visually and audibly), in…

We can also look at pirating as another reasoning.

Music pirating happened because it was simply impossible to get a lot of music you wanted to. Then when you could find it, you'd pay a large amount. Maybe not even knowing if you liked the work. Napster and Limewire come in because they let you get whatever and even one song at a time. Music industry comes in with DRM and makes it harder to rip CDs, but the mouse always wins. Apple Music, Pandora, and Spotify killed a lot of music pirating because they offered most of the advantages that pirating had: access and portability. It made things easy.

Or look at movies. The "You Wouldn't Steal a Car" ad started in 2004, when a ticket cost under $10 (I think I paid around $6-$8). Now that same ticket is $18-$20, which is $11-$13 in 2004. Not to mention the crazy prices for refreshments. People didn't stop liking going to the movie theaters, they were priced out (along with the studios migrating towards international audiences and diverging from our cultural standards to theirs). Home streaming didn't fix that because they charged the same price or more for a ticket. Netflix killed a lot because people would rather wait (and especially after they started making their own content). Then more streaming services popped up and pirating is back because it re-simplified things. PopcornTime was incredibly popular for a bit and was simple enough for my grandma to use.

This is all really due to incredibly short sighted thinking. Chasing one marker to the next not realizing that they're veering away from the actual goal. I know this link isn't exactly the same thing, but we should be able to see the parallels here because it is the exact same game going on[0], just with profit maximization rather than policy making (we can formulate markets as a social choice theory problem).

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goQ4ii-zBMw

Re: YouTube is testing a more aggressive approach against ad blockers

#670

This doesn't really affect me since I subscribe to premium, but something that a lot of ad-based services don't seem to grasp is why people block ads. It's because they've become increasingly obnoxious. Nobody blocked ads when they were a simple column of links in the gutter or maybe an animated GIF banner with 3 frames. No, adblockers became popular because ads kept getting more loud (both visually and audibly), in…

The obnoxious ads generate more money though. Guess what gives YouTube (and creators) more money, an ad that can be skipped after 5 seconds or an unskippable 6 second ad followed by another unskippable 15 second ad?

Similarly, what gives the newspaper more money, the unpersonalized ad respecting your privacy or the personalized ad that first loads a fingerprinting framework to track you across the web and then show you more targeted ads?

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