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France to Suspend All Bus and Tram Services Amid Riots

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Re: France to Suspend All Bus and Tram Services Amid Riots

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Post by giraffe_lady »

jl6 wrote: post #6
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #5

Just so things are clear, France is suspending all bus services in cities at night . Buses generally run city to suburbs routes and have been subjected to attacks for the past few nights. Trains, which are the most used form of public transport in France, are still running. France currently has an issue with very young protesters (mostly teenagers) burning public infrastructures. Violence is still fairly limited. Rio…

IMHO burning schools, libraries and buses is violence.

lmk when is the next funeral for a bus and I'll be there.

Re: France to Suspend All Bus and Tram Services Amid Riots

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Post by causality0 »

josephcsible wrote: post #2

This is why cars make you more independent than buses and trams. It'd be a lot harder for the government to close all of the roads than just shutting off public transit.

Driving a car is pretty miserable in the high density areas these types of riots happen in anyway. As a person who values that kind of independence, I choose to live further out in the country.

Re: France to Suspend All Bus and Tram Services Amid Riots

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Post by paganel »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #13
jl6 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO burning schools, libraries and buses is violence.

Sure but the country is not a war zone. At the moment, actual physical violence is mostly limited to fights between young protesters and the police in some suburbs. It's the usual misguided answer to a sadly very real issue except it's harder to reason with kids.

“Kids” who play video-games, I presume.

Macron’s paternalistic tone won’t help France one bit, it wasn’t “kids” who just beat two off-duty cops in Marseile (one of them was left unconscious on the street), it wasn’t a “kid” the guy screaming “les arabes vous enkulent!” while live-streaming the whole thing.

Re: France to Suspend All Bus and Tram Services Amid Riots

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

lucasRW wrote: post #19
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #5

Just so things are clear, France is suspending all bus services in cities at night . Buses generally run city to suburbs routes and have been subjected to attacks for the past few nights. Trains, which are the most used form of public transport in France, are still running. France currently has an issue with very young protesters (mostly teenagers) burning public infrastructures. Violence is still fairly limited. Rio…

Concerts cancelled (Stade De France tonight), special units of police brought in, armored vehicules which we had never seen apart from actual war scenes, ... yeah, definitely no riots there.

Special units are called for everything nowadays. I live in Paris and police vans park in my street. Even for peaceful demonstrations, hundreds of armored policemen are brought in the city. That's a significant part of the issue actually with France insisting on using a demonstrably outdated and inappropriate way of policing.

France intentionally kept apart from the work being done on policing by its European neighbours in the last two decades and is now paying the price.

Re: France to Suspend All Bus and Tram Services Amid Riots

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

paganel wrote: post #25
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure but the country is not a war zone. At the moment, actual physical violence is mostly limited to fights between young protesters and the police in some suburbs. It's the usual misguided answer to a sadly very real issue except it's harder to reason with kids.

“Kids” who play video-games, I presume. Macron’s paternalistic tone won’t help France one bit, it wasn’t “kids” who just beat two off-duty cops in Marseile (one of them was left unconscious on the street), it wasn’t a “kid” the guy screaming “les arabes vous enkulent!” while live-streaming the whole thing.

It's nothing to do with paternalism. Anyone who has ever worked as a teacher in the suburbs of Paris or has an actual understanding of what's happening gathered outside of the very right wing news channels could tell you that violence is now carried by younger and younger individuals. You can listen to Martin Aubry explaning what's happening in Lille for exemple.

But sure, as usual, the average French (nowadays 50-ish, dubiously educated, enjoying a remarkable prosperity which decades of chronic mismanagement have made but a dream for their own children) will blame the "foreigners".

The right will complain that the country is too laxist while ignoring the real issue of police violence and more broadly police management. The left will blame the government while ignoring that policies they themselves put in place are a large part of the social problems creating the current situation and remain in denial of, well, modernity. Peace will more or less be back in a fortnight and things will resume their usual course towards utter irrelevance and failure. Gosh, I hate this country.

Re: France to Suspend All Bus and Tram Services Amid Riots

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Post by sandermvanvliet »

VK538FY wrote: post #18
josephcsible wrote: post #2

This is why cars make you more independent than buses and trams. It'd be a lot harder for the government to close all of the roads than just shutting off public transit.

A lot of the sensitive suburbs (amusing French euphemism) as well as university domains built after 1968 are designed so that entrance and egress can be hindered during riots. A car might not help, depending on where you are.

Paris had seen changes before that to make it easier to deal with/suppress riots: https://rmschwartz.wordpress.com/paris/the-new-streets-of-pa...

Re: France to Suspend All Bus and Tram Services Amid Riots

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Post by UtopiaPunk »

josephcsible wrote: post #2

This is why cars make you more independent than buses and trams. It'd be a lot harder for the government to close all of the roads than just shutting off public transit.

You should see how the Israeli government blocks off roads from Palestinians in their apartheid state. It's very methodical and cruel, but the government absolutely can do it.
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