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Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into food

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Re: Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into food

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I’ve switched to glass bottles for my daughter pretty early on, but most of the bottles used for breast milk pumps are plastic (e.g. https://www.medela.com/breastfeeding/products/collecting/sto... ), and are supposed to be boiled after each use for disinfection. I really wonder how durable they are and how much microplastic ends up in that breastmilk…

Do you store any milk in the fridge or freezer? I've been trying to find good glass containers for that and coming up pretty short.

Re: Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into food

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post #91

Glass, Paper, and Aluminum. Startups working to bring these back will grow well over the next decade.

Aluminum has its own problems. Paper really can't be used for anything with liquids unless it's lined with plastic or a plastic-equivalent, and that's probably a bad thing. From what I know, glass has no drawbacks other than fragility.

> Paper really can't be used for anything with liquids unless it's lined with plastic or a plastic-equivalent

Beeswax probably melts too easily to be used for hot liquids but I bet it would do the trick with "moist" things if not full-on liquids.

Bonus, greater demand for beeswax = cheaper honey and more bees around! :)

Re: Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into food

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post #129

OK. Question about this. Microplastics have measurable negative effects on mammalian brains. That's been shown recently. I've never microwaved or cooked anything in plastic, and I've yelled at people who do since the 90s. Unfortunately, I break my own teeth a lot. I've shattered three of them in my sleep. It's not fun to wake up to a giant cracking sound in your head, realize your nerve is exposed, swallow part of a…

It's a good question. Can't say I understand the details, but I looked into this years ago and Talon is the material my dentist mentioned. This site claims: "Safest Splint Tested: There is no discernible leaching of free monomer. Studies verify residual monomer level of only 0.14%" https://burbankdental.com/products/talon-splints/ Believe this is the manufacturer's site here: https://www.moderndentalusa.com/product/t…

That looks like the thing. I would love to have it tested independently if I'm going to keep it in my mouth every night for the rest of my life. (And I'm now afraid not to).

Re: Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into food

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Why we don't use glassware? It's perfect for food. 1. Easy for cleaning 2. Good glass container will look new for years with proper washing 3. It breaks. So it requires full attention of person handling it. We all want to live in present moment, don't we? Use glassware and you will be in the present moment more often ;)

Some of us do use it. It just has the slight problem of weighing 200 tons which makes it mildly impractical for anything but use at home.

Stainless steel

Re: Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into food

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post #109

Is there any real evidence that consuming these is a problem though? Last I checked the evidence was shaky that this is even problematic for humans and read like a who's who of sketchy medical claims, up there with seed oils killing your testosterone.

The really annoying thing is that when you bring up the generational decline of testosterone in men no one really cares. Then RFK Jr brings it up - quite validly - and now you have the entire Democrat-pharma industrial complex lumping it under "far-right conspiracy theory, probably funded by Russia and MAGA white supremacists who hate women and Muslims". The irony is that it's a problem that is clearly already having…

That first paragraph was so good... I can't believe it was followed by the second one.

Anyway, about the first, there are people studying a possible link between plastics contamination and the testosterone trend. AFAIK, nobody has got anything yet. And given that there are other very likely culprits, I do think stating the link with plastics is way too premature.

Re: Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into food

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post #123

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We use plastic containers largely for convenience. They're durable, malleable, and don't shatter like glass. They're also lighter and thinner, and cheaper. This makes them useful for things like takeout containers or any situation where you need to transport food. Borosilicate is more durable than regular glass. It's generally less prone to shattering, and it's also more tolerant of rapid temperature changes. As far…

> Borosilicate is more durable than regular glass. It's generally less prone to shattering, and it's also more tolerant of rapid temperature changes. You sure about that? I always heard that borosilicate was significantly less durable (30% is the figure I remember, not sure if that's 30% less or 70% less) and all the thermal shock resistance came from lowering the CTE. I don't know if that was a half truth from a sod…

There are more than two decades since I use only glass vessels for cooking, eating, drinking or storing food, so I have been using many dozens of them.

About half of the glassware that I have been using has been from borosilicate glass and the other half from tempered soda-lime glass. I would have used only borosilicate glass, but it is more difficult to find every size and shape that one may want in borosilicate glass.

Even if not frequently, glassware has been dropped from time to time on floors or in kitchen sinks. Such shocks would have shattered traditional glass, but in most cases both borosilicate glass and tempered soda-lime glass survive.

From an approximately equal number of shocks during the years, I have broken a single borosilicate glass object, a double-walled drinking glass with extremely thin walls, while I have broken somewhere between six and ten tempered glass objects.

The only reason why someone may say that for a certain type of glassware borosilicate glass may be less durable is because it is frequent to make borosilicate glassware with thinner walls, because of its better toughness, while the objects made of tempered glass are invariably made with thick walls, to reduce the risk of breakage.

At equal wall thickness, there is no way for a tempered glass object to be more durable than a borosilicate object.

Moreover I have never seen a borosilicate glass object damaged by thermal shock, but I have broken a tempered glass teapot when attempting to cool it after boiling water in it.

Re: Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into food

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post #109

Is there any real evidence that consuming these is a problem though? Last I checked the evidence was shaky that this is even problematic for humans and read like a who's who of sketchy medical claims, up there with seed oils killing your testosterone.

The really annoying thing is that when you bring up the generational decline of testosterone in men no one really cares. Then RFK Jr brings it up - quite validly - and now you have the entire Democrat-pharma industrial complex lumping it under "far-right conspiracy theory, probably funded by Russia and MAGA white supremacists who hate women and Muslims". The irony is that it's a problem that is clearly already having…

>It's quite likely

...is it?

Re: Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into food

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post #32
post #7

It's great to have some science on it but a lot of people have considered this common sense for one or two decennia.

Have they really? Because many people use plastic Tupperware in the microwave. I've never purchased a piece of tuperware that said it would release microplastics into the food if I put it in the microwave. I don't know what it is lately but I feel like a lot of things labeled as "myths" and "woo woo" seem to be coming out as actually harmful, forever chemicals, fluoride in drinking water are others that come to mind.…

>fluoride in drinking water

Is there a legitimate issue with fluoride in drinking water? A quick google search yields nothing.

Re: Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into food

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Agreed. I haven’t microwaved food in plastic for 20+ years. It just always seemed gross. My biggest beef with plastic containers is that once washed with cheap dish soap (e.g. Dawn) the plastic container and any food stored in it always an forever smell and taste like the fragrance in the soap. I don’t find this to be a problem when using 7th Generation dish soap, which I consider to be far superior.

>I don’t find this to be a problem when using 7th Generation dish soap, which I consider to be far superior. I feel i'm about to fall into a rabit hole where i read way too much about dish soap. Is this a joke or is there really such a thing as 7th generation dish soap?

I was also super excited to read the Wikipedia page for the generations of dish soap, but like the others have said, it's just a brand :/

Re: Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into food

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have they really? Because many people use plastic Tupperware in the microwave. I've never purchased a piece of tuperware that said it would release microplastics into the food if I put it in the microwave. I don't know what it is lately but I feel like a lot of things labeled as "myths" and "woo woo" seem to be coming out as actually harmful, forever chemicals, fluoride in drinking water are others that come to mind.…

> I've never purchased a piece of tuperware that said it would release microplastics into the food if I put it in the microwave. One thing to be skeptical or open minded or whatever but this statement is just stunningly naive. That you would only consider it if the company selling it tell you that. There is a thing called using your brain to come to independent conclusions. I'm probably just pissing into the wind her…

I think they're using that statement as an indication of the average consumer's behavior, not necessarily their own. In fact, their very next sentence makes it clear that they aren't just swallowing the official line wholesale.

Maybe you should go see a doctor about that knee-jerk problem.

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