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Bill C-18: Google to remove news links in Canada over online news law

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Meh, as a Canadian, this might not be perfect, but I am happy whenever the government attempts to revitalize Canadian heritage and remove American influences.

As a canadian, this is a disaster of legislation, and I don't celebrate attempts at anything that are so bad for the internet. The precedent this sort of legislation sets will break the internet and also make companies leave canada in fear of having legislation targeted at them. And for no gain at all. No Canadian heritage will be saved, and this doesn't remove american influences because google and meta were going t…

Also Canadian, and I agree. But I also think their recently passed legislation concerning online streaming services was a bad move.

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Snippets are explicitly declared in the metadata of a web page. Those previews only appear because the publisher explicitly asked for them to be used.

Well for Google specifically isn’t your ranking severely impacted if you don’t include them? In that case it’s hardly a choice.

How tightly does Google check if the preview matches the real content?

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Care to provide verifiable details and a timeline for "look like North Korea and China"? Because otherwise this smells like sensationalism to me. Hate is already defined in Canadian law wrt hate crimes, btw, and that predates the Trudeau-monster by decades.

With out a verifiable “roadmap to tyranny”, must we necessarily conclude that everything is fine?

"Everything is fine" is a position taken by nobody afaict. But if someone is going to make brash claims they better have more than just bluster otherwise they're actively worsening discourse IMO.

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How do you define ‘power’. The unique aspect of government controls is that we grant the government a monopoly on force (imprisonment, seizure of property, etc). That is not the case with private actors and that is a significant and consequential difference in ‘power’.

Once you remove physical violence as a mean of interaction, you gain something else which would be violence by any other name. Government minimization is favored the most by those who would gain from the lack of counterbalance. In the case of market economy, if you can't use violence, then the world would be split into natural monopolies and monopolies after market consolidation. Everyone else will be feudalized beca…

Ok, now explain how free market economies have improved the quality of life and lifted more people out of poverty than any other economic system in history.

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Don't want people gazing on your property? Erect a fence. Nothing prevents media sites from implementing access controls to only allow paying customers.

No one pays. Journalism is a public good that will not exist if the current status quo continues. It’s in societies interest to ensure that doesn’t happen but everyone wants to free ride

There are plenty of news websites with paywalls, it's common amongst conservative media. It's primarily the left wing media that thinks the government should tax tech firms instead of newspapers being required to charge customers.

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No, it only applies to specifically regulated "digital news intermediaries" who are selected for regulation according to the criteria: Application 6 This Act applies in respect of a digital news intermediary if, having regard to the following factors, there is a significant bargaining power imbalance between its operator and news businesses: (a) the size of the intermediary or the operator; (b) whether the market for…

so then it depends on if HN ever embarasses the CRTC or the government. Better toe the line else be designated

I don’t think HNers will be losing any sleep over the inability to link to a couple of CBC articles!

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Or you know the fourth option - charge people money for access. Crazy I know.

I don't think there has ever been a successful media organization that relied on subscription revenue, except for very specialized areas (business press, science, hobby). In general, the costs of running a journalistic organization (one which discovers news for itself, not just repackaging news from other media) far outweigh what people are willing to pay for this. Remember that newspapers, even in the times before r…

> Remember that newspapers, even in the times before radio was widespread, were always dirt cheap.

Not anymore - I used to buy the New York Post to read in a bar from time to time, and it was 25 cents (and arguably overpriced then). It’s how 1-1.50USD depending on day, if you can even find a copy.

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How do they say "You can index the story in your search engine, but you cannot borrow the text or images of our content for use on your own news site or info panels"?

I think you can do this with

Why should one have to do this? The slippery slope of what is ok goes straight from this to copyright laundering via LLMs.

Re: Bill C-18: Google to remove news links in Canada over online news law

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Surely news publications benefit more from Google/Facebook providing links to their content? It's a mutually beneficial relationship. I'm a bit puzzled as to why this was pushed, I'd love some context for this.

> Canadian users will still be able to search for news content from international outlets such as BBC, New York Times and Fox News.

This is really the icing on the cake for me. Not only are you losing a lot of search traffic, but now those users are going to be directed to international sources so they won't even be looking for you. What a great way to screw over national media.

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