Why would anyone want to send their children to die in pointless wars of a regime that hates them and everything they stand for?
The Military Recruiting Crisis: Even Veterans Don’t Want Their Children to Join
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Re: The Military Recruiting Crisis: Even Veterans Don’t Want Their Children to Join
#12Escape hatch-ed into the the military for the 2000s financial crisis, became a Navy Nuke and was one when those commands didn't have the lowest morale out of all the military (though we were competing against Drone Pilots who hit rock bottom enough to boo their commanding officer off stage). The military is a fucked up place with utter bullshit like the CO using a suicide victim's "voice" to say we should work harder…
Gen Z has a higher home ownership rate than Millenials or Gen X at the equivalent point in time. The idea that Gen Z has it bad is a media myth and/or a cultural phenomenon of whining to an echo chamber on Reddit. https://www.redfin.com/news/gen-z-millennial-homeownership-r...
The article you post just says some gen z were able to take advantage of low mortgage rates in 2020. And in cheaper parts of the country. It doesn't mean anything for the overall socioeconomic condition
Re: The Military Recruiting Crisis: Even Veterans Don’t Want Their Children to Join
#13Escape hatch-ed into the the military for the 2000s financial crisis, became a Navy Nuke and was one when those commands didn't have the lowest morale out of all the military (though we were competing against Drone Pilots who hit rock bottom enough to boo their commanding officer off stage). The military is a fucked up place with utter bullshit like the CO using a suicide victim's "voice" to say we should work harder…
Gen Z has a higher home ownership rate than Millenials or Gen X at the equivalent point in time. The idea that Gen Z has it bad is a media myth and/or a cultural phenomenon of whining to an echo chamber on Reddit. https://www.redfin.com/news/gen-z-millennial-homeownership-r...
Meant are not completely hopeless. As if they were the military would be having an easy time recruiting.
Re: The Military Recruiting Crisis: Even Veterans Don’t Want Their Children to Join
#14Why would anyone want to send their children to die in pointless wars of a regime that hates them and everything they stand for?
If my kids wanted to join the military, I would support them. Especially the Navy; while one can (and does) say that the American military is the strongest military of all times, in terms of greatness in battle, the Army does not have a lot to show (no American general cracks the top 10). The Navy can boast Midway. And can be proud with Nimitz, probably the greatest admiral ever, Nelson included.
So, why would I discourage my kids from joining a great organization? How many people in the Navy have died in combat after WW2?
The thing is, if you don't want to risk your life, but you still want to join the US military, there are plenty of positions in the military where you don't risk your life.
> regime that hates them and everything they stand for?
Well, that's you opinion. You are entitled for it. "Entitled" meaning here, there is a certain piece of paper that guarantees your right to have and express your opinion. Piece of paper that would be worth less than a piece of toilet paper, if not for the US military.
Re: The Military Recruiting Crisis: Even Veterans Don’t Want Their Children to Join
#15Ancient Rome had this problem, which it 'solved' by selectively permitting various tribes to pass the limes (border) on exchange for military service. If the US is indeed an empire, it may choose this option. Unfortunately, it did not end well for Rome, althiugh it worked for a while.
I believe we already have a version of this, where non-citizen can join up in exchange for a jump in the naturalization line or similar.
Re: The Military Recruiting Crisis: Even Veterans Don’t Want Their Children to Join
#16Escape hatch-ed into the the military for the 2000s financial crisis, became a Navy Nuke and was one when those commands didn't have the lowest morale out of all the military (though we were competing against Drone Pilots who hit rock bottom enough to boo their commanding officer off stage). The military is a fucked up place with utter bullshit like the CO using a suicide victim's "voice" to say we should work harder…
> On the bright side with the failure of the military to recruit, we know things are completely hopeless economically/emotionally/socially for gen Z.
I don't know why that would be the bright side, but I draw the opposite conclusion. As you say, you joined because it was an escape hatch (from a worse option, I assume) and declining recruitment suggests that gen Z has better alternatives.
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#17Ancient Rome had this problem, which it 'solved' by selectively permitting various tribes to pass the limes (border) on exchange for military service. If the US is indeed an empire, it may choose this option. Unfortunately, it did not end well for Rome, althiugh it worked for a while.
The US does have that system. And of all the theories as to why Rome fell, I really don't think the recruitment of others into the legion is really much of a factor (except, I suppose, a second- or third-order effect of it allowing the various armies to be larger)
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#18Ancient Rome had this problem, which it 'solved' by selectively permitting various tribes to pass the limes (border) on exchange for military service. If the US is indeed an empire, it may choose this option. Unfortunately, it did not end well for Rome, althiugh it worked for a while.
IIRC Rome actually had a pretty good system for this, where they defeated any large migrating tribes in battle (even if it was kind of a joke battle, a lot of them were fleeing from other forces that had already drove them out) and then disarmed and spread the families out into different provinces. This broke the large potentially dangerous group up and kind of forced them to integrate into the roman system instead of being a different entity inside the empire. It didn't even really stop working, some bad leaders were just to lazy to do it towards the end.
Re: The Military Recruiting Crisis: Even Veterans Don’t Want Their Children to Join
#19Ancient Rome had this problem, which it 'solved' by selectively permitting various tribes to pass the limes (border) on exchange for military service. If the US is indeed an empire, it may choose this option. Unfortunately, it did not end well for Rome, althiugh it worked for a while.
The US does have that system. And of all the theories as to why Rome fell, I really don't think the recruitment of others into the legion is really much of a factor (except, I suppose, a second- or third-order effect of it allowing the various armies to be larger)
The system broke down when they stopped trying to disperse immigrants across wide areas and directly integrate them into the social/military system.
Instead they allowed them to settle as a group, maintain their own leadership and armies and just function basically as ‘vassals’ states of Rome and we know how that ended…
Re: The Military Recruiting Crisis: Even Veterans Don’t Want Their Children to Join
#20Why would anyone want to send their children to die in pointless wars of a regime that hates them and everything they stand for?
If my kids wanted to join the military, I would support them. Especially the Navy; while one can (and does) say that the American military is the strongest military of all times, in terms of greatness in battle, the Army does not have a lot to show (no American general cracks the top 10). The Navy can boast Midway. And can be proud with Nimitz, probably the greatest admiral ever, Nelson included. So, why would I disc…
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