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Monster gravitational waves spotted for first time

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Re: Monster gravitational waves spotted for first time

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Modern physics(and engineering) is kind of absurd. And I mean that in a good way. LIGO? I didn't believe at all that it would ever work. Even when they got detections I kinda thought they were chasing their own tails. Now the evidence is pretty much rock solid that the data is real(multiple facilities, correlations with light observations for neutron star mergers, etc). Then I heard about LISA, which essentially is b…

so how comes they can't get this fusion thing to work?

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What do these waves look like as they pass through us? Acoustic-like compression and expansion of particles as molecules temporarily reorient toward a “down” that is ever-so-slightly off from the Center of mass of the Earth? Also, I assume that these waves are very gentle sinusoids? Could the opposite — a high-amplitude gravitational square wave — be possible? What would it do to the things it passes through?

The gravitational waves we detect are transverse waves. Longitudinal gravity waves have been proposed, discarded, and proposed again, I’m not sure what their current theoretical status is.

Re: Monster gravitational waves spotted for first time

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To simplify, the same way that a surfer on the sea can use the movement of the sea itself (waves) to surf! An Alcubierre drive (they're theoretical) would basically constantly compress the time curve of spacetime in front of the craft, allowing the craft to "ride" this compression as it moves forward, which means that the local speed of light of the craft is faster than the speed of light of an external observer. Not…

Sorry, I don't get it. Imagine you are on a rubber ruler. You can move at most 1 mark per second on the ruler. This is true regardless of how much the ruler is stretched or compressed. So to move from mark 1 to mark 100 will always take the same time at top speed, regardless of any stretching/compression.

The idea is similar to how we detect gravitational waves in interferometers, when space gets compressed, the distance the photon has to travel shrinks slightly.

To take your ruler example, if you compress it by 1mm, you can traverse its entire length traveling 1mm less than before, thus, from the reference frame of someone who can't see that you've compressed the ruler, you've traveled slightly faster.

Re: Monster gravitational waves spotted for first time

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What do these waves look like as they pass through us? Acoustic-like compression and expansion of particles as molecules temporarily reorient toward a “down” that is ever-so-slightly off from the Center of mass of the Earth? Also, I assume that these waves are very gentle sinusoids? Could the opposite — a high-amplitude gravitational square wave — be possible? What would it do to the things it passes through?

I was wondering if these waves could affect our brains, even subtly. Maybe cause a reaction in one part of one cell that tips the balance between a neuron firing or not.

The amplitude of the waves we have detected are less than the width of a proton.

Re: Monster gravitational waves spotted for first time

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Yes, that's basically right. The gravitational way has a direction (say, z) in which its propagating. Within the plane perpendicular to that direction (x-y), a circular ring of particles will at at one moment experience squeezing in one direction (x) and stretching the perpendicular direction (y). As the wave passes through and you move from the peak of the wave to the trough, the directions reverse, so the first dir…

> Just as a child can swing their legs at the resonant frequency of a swing to pump up their sinusoidal amplitude, a very weak gravitational wave can pump up a ring oscillator if it's oscillating at the ring's resonant frequency. So is it possible that a passing gravitational wave could initiate some natural process that otherwise might have not happened?

Or be a form of energy harvesting at a microscopic scale

Re: Monster gravitational waves spotted for first time

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Modern physics(and engineering) is kind of absurd. And I mean that in a good way. LIGO? I didn't believe at all that it would ever work. Even when they got detections I kinda thought they were chasing their own tails. Now the evidence is pretty much rock solid that the data is real(multiple facilities, correlations with light observations for neutron star mergers, etc). Then I heard about LISA, which essentially is b…

For more materials, measurement, and spacecraft engineering challenges in verifying gravity theory, check out Gravity Probe B [1]. 40+ year effort (spoiler: it confirmed the geodetic and frame-dragging effects of General Relativity).

[1] https://einstein.stanford.edu/TECH/technology1.html

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Acoustic waves propagate through what are essentially elastic deformations of the material they travel through. Can gravitational waves be thought of as propagating by elastically deforming spacetime? If this analogy holds, then can it be taken further? Acoustic waves dissipate their energy insofar as they trigger plastic deformation in a material. Could gravitational waves plastically deform... spacetime itself? Or…

They are predicted to leave permanent distortions in spacetime, though I think it's a more complicated mechanism. https://www.quantamagazine.org/gravitational-waves-should-pe...

Flashback to 3 body problem and harvesting energy from local c.

Re: Monster gravitational waves spotted for first time

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Could it impact orbits? Or tides?

I think you are overestimating the amount of power in these gravitational waves by several dozen orders of magnitude. To even detect these, we need to observe multiple pulsars over long periods of time in order to find minute effects only visible at galactic scales due to the nanohertz frequency of these waves. In other words, spacetime is being stretched and compressed at subatomic scales on a sinusoidal wave with a…

Makes sense. I am a bit of a drive by tourist on this; such that the only reason I asked this was the analogy of a kid pumping their feet stuck on me and messed up my assumed scale on effects.

Re: Monster gravitational waves spotted for first time

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Modern physics(and engineering) is kind of absurd. And I mean that in a good way. LIGO? I didn't believe at all that it would ever work. Even when they got detections I kinda thought they were chasing their own tails. Now the evidence is pretty much rock solid that the data is real(multiple facilities, correlations with light observations for neutron star mergers, etc). Then I heard about LISA, which essentially is b…

so how comes they can't get this fusion thing to work?

Fusion is easy and you can set off a hydrogen bomb whenever you like, it is turning that energy into electricity that's the hard part.

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Theoretically it's impossible to travel through space at or more than speed of light. But space itself can move faster than light speed, and a warp drive would help something similar that you mentioned. That is possible theoretically. But the amount of energy or mass it needs is very high and no current technology (or in foreseeable future) can achieve it. So FTL remains a dream. My hunch based on nothing is that we…

It's fun to imagine the species in x-hundred years. My college physics professor once told us that in 500 years, physics professors will still teach Maxwell's equations in the format he was showing us. And honestly, I think he's right. Somethings we will do the same way for hundreds of years, like the wheelbarrow will still exist in 500 years as it has for likely the previous 5,000. Otoh, I doubt we will be going fas…

the only plausible possibility for a major change in Maxwell's laws is if we discover a magnetic monopole. It's fairly unlikely, but there isn't a solid reason one shouldn't exist as far as I know.
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