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Bill C-18: Google to remove news links in Canada over online news law

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Re: Bill C-18: Google to remove news links in Canada over online news law

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There's a ton of international case law saying that a mere link is not illegal.

We're talking about a new Canadian law. How would case law be relevant? (Laws can make previously legal things illegal.)

Laws can also be challenged in court.

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Important to note that the CBC is state-funded and even the previous leader of the ultra left-wing party, Tom Mulcair, has recently accused the CBC of having a heavy left-wing bias.

Right, who could forget PP asking Elon Musk to get the CBC flagged as state media in the same class as Xinhua and Russia Today.

Great job missing Tom Muclair who was the one mentioned in the comment.

Re: Bill C-18: Google to remove news links in Canada over online news law

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Media in Canada is in pretty dire straits right now. It looks like one of the last left-ish leaning papers (Toronto Star) is about to be gobbled up by post media. A huge swath of broadcast news media is owned by just one company, Bell which predictably leads to stories like "Top Bell Media executive urged CTV to avoid ‘negative spin’ on coverage of parent company". Plus the current batch of conservative leaders (PP,…

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Re: Bill C-18: Google to remove news links in Canada over online news law

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You have it backwards. Thats the way they justify what they already had planned. That didn’t drive this, that’s the post-decision excuse. “We consulted with stakeholders and press decided they really wanted that money”

Meh, as a Canadian, this might not be perfect, but I am happy whenever the government attempts to revitalize Canadian heritage and remove American influences.

As a canadian, this is a disaster of legislation, and I don't celebrate attempts at anything that are so bad for the internet. The precedent this sort of legislation sets will break the internet and also make companies leave canada in fear of having legislation targeted at them.

And for no gain at all. No Canadian heritage will be saved, and this doesn't remove american influences because google and meta were going to be charged for linking to canadian news, not american news. Still 100% ok to link to american news. This legislation does the opposite of what you're claiming.

Re: Bill C-18: Google to remove news links in Canada over online news law

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Many people who would otherwise be appalled at laws like this seem to want to rationalize this because its specifically targeting Google and Meta. Sometimes taking the simple view is correct: It's a bad thing to prevent sites from linking to one another. It's a bad thing to interfere with the ability to access information on the Internet for reasons of nationalist politics.

We have seen that in other markets this type of law has hurt not helped publishers.

This is Canada but it can easily be any country. We need a fix, big tech has monopolized ad revenue and is choking out the publishers. The quality of newspaper stories has deteriorated over the years and local news has suffered to the point of almost being nonexistent. Also, we now have very few companies that dominate the news. Look at how big the New York times has gotten. It's now the national newspaper in the US. All the other newspapers are nipping at it's ankles. It's a direct result of the fact that other newspapers can't compete without a steady flow of ad revenue. Big tech has sucked all the money which makes it hard for any newspaper to survive, specially regional ones. We need a fix.

Re: Bill C-18: Google to remove news links in Canada over online news law

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> This doesn't make sense. Newspapers want links to their stories. Newspapers want monetization. There are three ways linking to stories equal monetization: * Newspapers get enough ad money through these link. This mostly doesn't work. * Newspapers cut their costs and deliver shitty clickbait. * Newspapers get funded by "philantropy". This ranges from newspapers independently funded by trust funds to newspapers being…

4: Links bring in readers who then decide to support the journalism. I personally believe reader support is the only viable option going forward.

I whole heartedly agree - I think subcription is an immense boon to services like these... that being said, if Google parses most of your article into their news tab and then only serves up an amp'ified version of your site it can be quite difficult to actually present users with an option to subscribe. I'm a Canadian and I don't like C-18, but I also think that search/aggregation companies have far too loose a leash right now and are curating an environment where they'll take home all the revenue.

Re: Bill C-18: Google to remove news links in Canada over online news law

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We're talking about a new Canadian law. How would case law be relevant? (Laws can make previously legal things illegal.)

Laws can also be challenged in court.

Why isn't this within the remit of the Canadian legislature? Why would the court reject it?

Re: Bill C-18: Google to remove news links in Canada over online news law

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AMP made the internet on my phone work. Most sites seem to dedicate 50% or more of the screen space to advertisements and load very slowly -- AMP sites were just crazy more performant -- I'm not saying AMP was the right move to make, but, it was trying to solve a real problem (similar to this bill also likely being the wrong move)

AMP worked like shit for me. Any time I had weird behavioural issues with a site, I’d look to the address bar and spot AMP. Using an extensions to prevent AMP stealing my clicks has made my phones browser work much better.

Guess: you were running iOS and your parent was running Android

Re: Bill C-18: Google to remove news links in Canada over online news law

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Laws can also be challenged in court.

Why isn't this within the remit of the Canadian legislature? Why would the court reject it?

Does the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms ring a bell?
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