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Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

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congratulations your motor vehicle is now dependent on kubernetes pov you are headed for a collision and something is wrong. you issue a describe command ... Type Reason Age ---- ------ ---- Normal Sync 100s (x3 over 100s) Is that an expected status for this component? The distance narrows ...

F-16s have kubernetes on them now[0].

[0] https://thenewstack.io/how-the-u-s-air-force-deployed-kubern...

Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

#52
post #4

>At Tesla we believe that security and privacy are core tenets of any modern technology. Customers should be able to decide what data they share with third parties, how they share it, and when it can be shared. We've developed a decentralized framework: "Fleet Telemetry" that allows customers to create a secure and direct bridge from their Tesla devices to any provider they authorize. Complete non-sequitur. “We care…

The current situation for third party apps (which do exist, plenty of them) is you either give them your Tesla account username/password (super bad) or an access token that you get by signing into your Tesla account, which is less bad but still gives the app the same access as your full Tesla account. So yes, by building a framework to allow users to authorize third party apps to receive limited telemetry data withou…

Why not just an access token that only has certain perms?

Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

#53
I'm a kubernetes noob, in https://github.com/teslamotors/helm-charts/blob/main/charts/...

why do they do `helm repo add teslamotors https://teslamotors.github.io/helm-charts/` instead of

`helm repo add teslamotors https://github.com/teslamotors/helm-charts/` ?

isn't the first one a webpage rather than a repo?

Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

#54
post #18

Every time Tesla refers to the cars they sold to customers as their ‘fleet’, I get the feeling they don’t really recognise they are no longer the owner of those vehicles. Fleet as defined in Oxford Dictionary: “A number of vehicles or aircraft working together, or under the same ownership.” (edit: use actual Oxford definition)

They can still control them remotely, so there's that.

Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

#55

This is cool, I've been thinking about building an application that polls the reverse engineered Tesla API, but an officially supported solution sounds much better. Is there any documentation about how users authorize applications? Seems like this allows vehicles to connect directly to your own server instead of having a Tesla server act as intermediary. Will it be free to use then? I guess Tesla is still footing the…

https://github.com/adriankumpf/teslamate ?

Yes, that is an example of an application that polls the reverse engineered Tesla API. Not the application I wanted to build and not something using this officially supported method (understandably because this is new).

Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

#56

congratulations your motor vehicle is now dependent on kubernetes pov you are headed for a collision and something is wrong. you issue a describe command ... Type Reason Age ---- ------ ---- Normal Sync 100s (x3 over 100s) Is that an expected status for this component? The distance narrows ...

F-16s have kubernetes on them now[0]. [0] https://thenewstack.io/how-the-u-s-air-force-deployed-kubern...

it sounds from the article like this is on either 1 or 3 planes and hopefully that number has decreased since 2019

hoping 'deployed in 45 days' doesn't mean what I think it means

Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

#57
post #4

>At Tesla we believe that security and privacy are core tenets of any modern technology. Customers should be able to decide what data they share with third parties, how they share it, and when it can be shared. We've developed a decentralized framework: "Fleet Telemetry" that allows customers to create a secure and direct bridge from their Tesla devices to any provider they authorize. Complete non-sequitur. “We care…

The current situation for third party apps (which do exist, plenty of them) is you either give them your Tesla account username/password (super bad) or an access token that you get by signing into your Tesla account, which is less bad but still gives the app the same access as your full Tesla account. So yes, by building a framework to allow users to authorize third party apps to receive limited telemetry data withou…

> The current situation for third party apps (which do exist, plenty of them) is you either give them your Tesla account username/password (super bad) or an access token that you get by signing into your Tesla account, which is less bad but still gives the app the same access as your full Tesla account.

In 2023, I'm amazed that this is still a thing. I'm also sad that users are so uncaring about their data that they are cavalier to just provide credentials to 3rd parties just because they pinky swear they'll not be evil and the use of their app is super worth it. I still remember the first time a coworker was singing the praises of some money/finance app that I decided to try. I immediately stopped and said nope when I realized they needed my user/password to all of the banks I wanted to connect. I feel sorry for people that feel the juice is worth the squeeze, especially when they get squeezed dry. Maybe it's not the 3rd party company, but the possibility of hackers that attack said 3rd party. Just too big of an ask

Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

#58
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current situation for third party apps (which do exist, plenty of them) is you either give them your Tesla account username/password (super bad) or an access token that you get by signing into your Tesla account, which is less bad but still gives the app the same access as your full Tesla account. So yes, by building a framework to allow users to authorize third party apps to receive limited telemetry data withou…

Why not just an access token that only has certain perms?

Because the first party vendor, in this case Tesla, doesn't provide that kind of mechanism?

Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

#59
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds like a subtle mischaracterization of the leak to me. The leak sounded more like, "the teams responsible for tagging data uploaded by Teslas had access to data uploaded by Teslas". The fact that they could share them amongst themselves is also not particularly surprising. While I understand the alarm, it was also completely unsurprising even based purely on the company's public statements about how they us…

The fact that they could share them amongst themselves is also not particularly surprising. It's not that the could , it's that they did .

But of course they did. They are human, and baser instincts are hard to overcome. Especially in the age of share everything with everyone all the time. I would not be surprised to learn that the youngest generations have never been taught to not share everything if not quite the opposite.

Re: Tesla Fleet Telemetry

#60
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not just an access token that only has certain perms?

Because the first party vendor, in this case Tesla, doesn't provide that kind of mechanism?

That's what I'm saying though, instead of allowing permissioned access to their existing telemetry, they're publishing a platform that duplicates all of that functionality.
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