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Supreme Court strikes down affirmative action in college admissions

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I’ll need to read the opinion but why not eliminate consideration using all protected statuses (race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy, sexual orientation, or gender identity), national origin, age (40 or older), disability and genetic information)? Affirmative action is not just about race. It doesn’t make sense that you can discriminate on any protected status to begin with. In any case I doubt this will c…

It is already illegial to consider all of the characteristics you mentioned. Historically, there was a specific legal exemption 14th ammendementment allowing racial discrimination. This ruling closes the exemption for racial consideration. Discrimination based on other protected statuses remain closed >Any exceptions to the Equal Protection Clause’s guarantee must survive a daunting two-step examination known as “str…

This is not true and is more nuanced than you’re making it seem. See title 9 and the continued existence of schools like Wellesley college.

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It is important to note that Harward’s admission policy that is the subject of this case was designed to favor White students over Jewish ones [1]. Today it is being used to discriminate against Asian Americans. Colleges are already prepared for this ruling. Many, such as the University of Washington have abandoned standardized tests because such tests compell universities to admit the kinds of students universities…

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Good question. There is no consensus on who is considered white. Nazis considered Jews to be a separate and inferior race. At one point in the US, Italians were not considered white. Irish, Greeks and Poles were not considered white at some point, and were discriminated against in the US. “No Irish need apply” (NINA) signs were common at one point in history.

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As someone of Hispanic descent this is very interesting to me. Affirmative Action probably helped my father, whose father was a construction worker and mother a homemaker both of whom dropped out of high school, get into college and ultimately become a doctor. But because my father was a doctor, I had a fairly privileged upbringing. I'm a generation removed, but growing up in California always had to indicate my back…

Do you think this ruling will help or hurt people who identify as Hispanic?

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They never run these experiments right and this one looks to be no different. What they choose as "Black" names are those associated with lower class blacks but they do not do the same with "White" names. In this case, they use names like Latonya for blacks and Heather for whites. You never see them use names like Cletus or Billy Bob or other names associated with lower class whites.

This is incorrect. The names in the NBER study were drawn from actual birth certificate data correlated with race. It was not a subjective choice from researchers. Latonya was used because Latonya was the first name given to 4.7% of the black female babies born during the study period. Just like Allison was 4.7% of white female babies in the same data. If you perceive common African American names as lower class than…

I am hesitant to wade in here. I am not asserting anything about the actual study, but just observing this thread.

You seem to be ignoring the earlier statistical complaint by the other poster. They are implying a null hypothesis where names signal socioeconomic status and discrimination may be on that status rather than race.

To test for this, you cannot start with unequally characterized populations (black and white) and compare equally popular names from each population. You need to first stratify by socioeconomic status and then draw popular names from equivalent sub-populations. E.g. equally popular black and white names among babies born to households with lowest quintile income and high school as the parents' terminal degrees; equally popular black and white names among babies born to households of middle quintile income and 4-year college degrees; etc.

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It is important to note that Harward’s admission policy that is the subject of this case was designed to favor White students over Jewish ones [1]. Today it is being used to discriminate against Asian Americans. Colleges are already prepared for this ruling. Many, such as the University of Washington have abandoned standardized tests because such tests compell universities to admit the kinds of students universities…

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Ashkenazi Jews are an ethnic group originating in the Near East, but with some admixture from Europeans. At least the plurality if not majority of American Jews are nonreligious, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews#Religious_belief...

Re: Supreme Court strikes down affirmative action in college admissions

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Considering the failure and timing of prop 16 and overall makeup of the California electorate compared to rest of country, official discrimination on the basis of race likely won't return in higher ed. Also consider that prop 16 failed by double digits with the pro-discrimination crowd outspending the opposition 19x What I'm curious about is this: the Harvard decision is wrt a private entity, the court ruled that the…

Companies are not allowed to discriminate in their hiring. In other words, it is not legal to have affirmative action in a hiring decision (e.g. only hiring female candidates or only hiring black candidates).

To get around this, companies do a couple things to increase the likelihood of hiring an underrepresented person into a role:

1) They will quietly try to fill up their candidate pipelines with people who match the criteria they are looking for to increase the likelihood they wind up hiring a candidate who matches.

2) They will apply the "Rooney Rule" which says at least one person from an underrepresented minority group must be interviewed for a position before a hiring decision can be made.

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> Could racially discriminatory hiring strategies be next? I'm no fan of regulation and government intervention in private business, but its gotten out of control in tech and the corporate world. I've flat out heard hiring managers say they'll only hire a woman, lgbtq, or [certain minority] for certain roles. I've sat in hiring committees where candidates preform horribly, esp compared to others being reviewed at the…

So stop being a coward and record and leak those conversations.

Maybe in 10 years once I've gotten enough to retire. Dont wanna get James Damore'd.

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The population of the US is roughly ~330M

But don't forget to add corporations to the total, because they are people too according to SCOTUS.

When you really think about it, Citizen's United makes a lot of sense as a decision. It seems self evident to me that a non-profit trying to, say, save the local wetlands, should be able to make political statements like "Don't vote for Dave, Dave wants to pave our wetlands". Likewise, labor unions should be able to campaign against politicians trying to attack their ability to exist. Okay, so, only non-profit enterprises can engage in political speech. That still leaves you with the whole PAC thing, but maybe it's an improvement. What about Creedance Clearwater Revival? Or Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth? Their art was certainly political, does that mean they should be barred from selling it?

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The concept of affirmative action is foreign to me (quite literally so). I only know it from American media, and I've come understand it to mean "positively discriminate based on race, so long as it's a minority race" - please correct me of I'm wrong. But anyway, my question for the Americans here who grok this stuff: I assume the intent is to help disadvantaged people have opportunities that more priviledged people…

To preface: I don’t really have an opinion on affirmative action per se: That said, the elephant in the room is that institutions like Harvard and UNC aren’t really about education. They’re “ivy leagues” for preserving class inequality having been marketed as schools. To the extent that race is a distraction from class, the fact that counteracting racial bias in admissions has failed to uplift the poor just puts too…

I'm not sure I'd lump UNC in there. It's a fairly elite public school, but still a public school, with 20k students and a 20% admission rate.

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Yeah, every time the discussion comes up about, for example, reparations for the descendants of slaves, I start out thinking: it's been 150 years! Some of those descendants are very successful now and some descendants of slave owners are probably very poor now. And some people are descendants of both. And then I learn about the Jim Crow period, and then you hear that even the GI bill explicitly excluded black people,…

> And then I think: you can't just stop doing a bad thing and pretend it didn't happen. You've got to try to make things right. Here's where your thinking goes askew, you can't simply draw a boundary around a subset of people and declare that an agentic thing. Groups of people don't have guilt or automatic responsibility, only individuals do. Thinking of very diverse groups of people as single entities is how you get…

> Groups of people don't have guilt or automatic responsibility, only individuals do.

Then the words “accomplice”, “collaborator” and “facilitator” would not exist.

I believe countries, families and things in between can be guilty of stuff.

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