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Does Hacker News Deliver Value For Startups?

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Re: Does Hacker News Deliver Value For Startups?

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The bottom line is, as far as I gather, stories published here need to be non-conflicting with YC startups in so much as they don't set out with the single intention to trash the credibility of a startup.

Submitting an objective, or factual story is fine, but when the sole intention is to tarnish the reputation, then the "bury hatchet" comes out. I've even seen high karma members get completely banned because of submissions about Curebit and AirBnB.

When you come to one persons house, you can't argue if some ground rules are set.

Re: Does Hacker News Deliver Value For Startups?

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The bottom line is, as far as I gather, stories published here need to be non-conflicting with YC startups in so much as they don't set out with the single intention to trash the credibility of a startup. Submitting an objective, or factual story is fine, but when the sole intention is to tarnish the reputation, then the "bury hatchet" comes out. I've even seen high karma members get completely banned because of subm…

>Submitting an objective, or factual story is fine, but when the sole intention is to tarnish the reputation, then the "bury hatchet" comes out.

Such is the reason HN thrives. Though experience has led me to reason that such behaviour is applied to anyone who sets out to tarnish someone else's reputation. Not only YC people/startups.

>I've even seen high karma members get completely banned because of submissions about Curebit and AirBnB.

Karma is not a good indicator of anything. One can easily gather "karma" by writing useless blog posts that rhyme with the general schools of thought (or thought patterns). I think karma is used here as a tool to promote valuable links that add to the conversation, rather than a tool that measures social hierarchy. Karma does not measure a poster, but the post itself. If you post anything that violates the rules (which are sensible and permissive), then you have proved, without a doubt, that you original intentions were not inline with the "belief" behind HN (information that are interesting to hackers (though inflamatory posts are not interesting)).

>When you come to one persons house, you can't argue if some ground rules are set.

We are also born with gravity wrecking havoc around the universe. What good does bad-mouthing gravity do? =)

Re: Does Hacker News Deliver Value For Startups?

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The bottom line is, as far as I gather, stories published here need to be non-conflicting with YC startups in so much as they don't set out with the single intention to trash the credibility of a startup. Submitting an objective, or factual story is fine, but when the sole intention is to tarnish the reputation, then the "bury hatchet" comes out. I've even seen high karma members get completely banned because of subm…

I have never looked at HN as a place to go to trash a company, there are other sites with that as their core mission, for me I have always thought of HN as having a positive vibe, I understand that some of that is my own filter bubble but never the less I am fine with the fact that they don't view it as a place to trash the companies that they invest in. I would be more OK with it, if it where just a blanket rule of don't come on HN to trash companies.

Re: Does Hacker News Deliver Value For Startups?

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The bottom line is, as far as I gather, stories published here need to be non-conflicting with YC startups in so much as they don't set out with the single intention to trash the credibility of a startup. Submitting an objective, or factual story is fine, but when the sole intention is to tarnish the reputation, then the "bury hatchet" comes out. I've even seen high karma members get completely banned because of subm…

>Submitting an objective, or factual story is fine, but when the sole intention is to tarnish the reputation, then the "bury hatchet" comes out. Such is the reason HN thrives. Though experience has led me to reason that such behaviour is applied to anyone who sets out to tarnish someone else's reputation. Not only YC people/startups. >I've even seen high karma members get completely banned because of submissions abou…

> Karma is not a good indicator of anything.

I meant that just to underscore the point that (from my observations) PG doesn't care if you have been a long standing community member at HN. I perhaps should of said account age in the many years.

And I agree with this perspective. People who from the first line in their article set out with the intention of just sensationalizing some innocuous or accidental lapse in judgment by a startup clearly are just doing it:

>) For their own gain

>) Aren't trying to create objective discussion

>) Just want to disrupt the startups positive vibe by publishing damaging news about them.

Some things are clearly in the public interest... and should be written about, but some times I've read stories whcih are just beating a horse while it's down, and has been totally unneccessary. I totally disagreed with the way DHH handled the Curebit episode. Curebit were clearly wrong (by direct linking to assets), but the obsenities that he was throwing around so willfully on Twitter just made him appear like a kid who had had his candy stolen.

Re: Does Hacker News Deliver Value For Startups?

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post #4

The bottom line is, as far as I gather, stories published here need to be non-conflicting with YC startups in so much as they don't set out with the single intention to trash the credibility of a startup. Submitting an objective, or factual story is fine, but when the sole intention is to tarnish the reputation, then the "bury hatchet" comes out. I've even seen high karma members get completely banned because of subm…

I have never looked at HN as a place to go to trash a company, there are other sites with that as their core mission, for me I have always thought of HN as having a positive vibe, I understand that some of that is my own filter bubble but never the less I am fine with the fact that they don't view it as a place to trash the companies that they invest in. I would be more OK with it, if it where just a blanket rule of…

On HN contentless positivity is regarded the same as contentless negativity: hyperbolic spam.

That being said if you can glue together 500 words about how to program in clojure after waking up early at your standing desk you will have your day in the sun.

Re: Does Hacker News Deliver Value For Startups?

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post #4

The bottom line is, as far as I gather, stories published here need to be non-conflicting with YC startups in so much as they don't set out with the single intention to trash the credibility of a startup. Submitting an objective, or factual story is fine, but when the sole intention is to tarnish the reputation, then the "bury hatchet" comes out. I've even seen high karma members get completely banned because of subm…

I have never looked at HN as a place to go to trash a company, there are other sites with that as their core mission, for me I have always thought of HN as having a positive vibe, I understand that some of that is my own filter bubble but never the less I am fine with the fact that they don't view it as a place to trash the companies that they invest in. I would be more OK with it, if it where just a blanket rule of…

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Re: Does Hacker News Deliver Value For Startups?

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As a founder -- I'm fairly sure that if I hadn't started reading HN in 2007, it's unlikely I'd have had the temerity to leave a company that was screwing me over and just start my own thing. Entrepreneurship was never in my blood, but HN made it easier to take the leap by making it seem normal when in hindsight it seems somewhat rare.

Reading this site exposed me to a lot of writing about entrepreneurship that was new to me. As the site has grown there has been more and more self-promotional linkbait spam, but some is pure gold and the best bits are often buried in the discussions rather than the articles. The last few years have been a financial and emotional struggle, but it's been tremendously helpful to see other people go through the same ups and downs and often be so open about what works and doesn't work for them. So I'm grateful to Paul and many of the other regular commenters here. Answering this question is a no brainer.

Re: Does Hacker News Deliver Value For Startups?

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Irrespective of the relationship slideshare has to Ycombinator or HackerNews, the "buried" article simply didn't gain traction - it happens all the time.

200 visits is just a small slice of HN users and reflect a response to the title of the article, not the quality of the article itself.

Anecdote is not evidence, but the article wasn't compelling enough that I would be likely to upvote it - upvotes are the only thing that keeps new stories from being buried and flagging only comes into play once a recent story gets upvotes.

New articles get just one point all the time - indeed I've seen cases where a story had no votes or comments the first time it was posted only to make the front page and generate lively discussion when reposted later with a slightly different URL.

Odds are that any new article will be ignored. A conspiracy is not necessary - and since the article was buried by a lack of points and the weight of time, it's hard to believe that there was one.

Consider it editorial feedback in regards to style, timing and relevance.

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