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Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

#71

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> I was somewhat thinking of the passengers. Everything that happened was well within the stress tolerance parameters of the majority of involved humans as well.

The prevalence of post-traumatic stress disorder would disagree.

People are free to not use airplanes if a designed for maneuver gives them PTSD.

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

#72
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>the aircraft are designed to handle the stress. I was somewhat thinking of the passengers.

Here you can see a YT Shorts that a passenger inside the flight shot, it's actually much less stressful than I imagined: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/W12w7NkqGCM

What's the actual point of Youtube Sharts? It just seems like encouragement for people to film vertically and not frame the shot well.

And on the watching side you're pushed into a needlessly unfriendly UI. Like I generally just use the YT web interface and don't go out of my way to routinely yt-dlp or Newpipe, but now I might have to change that.

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

#73
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Airplanes rarely get scrapped for parts because of incidents like this. They have pretty extensive maintenance and repair checklists, but afaik the rate of making vessels like this airworthy is pretty high.

> Airplanes rarely get scrapped for parts because of incidents like this. They have pretty extensive maintenance and repair checklists, ... And yet these "extensive maintenance checklists" did not prevent such a serious malfunction. They were lucky that the weather was cooperating. In bad weather and strong winds who knows what would have happened.

Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without telling me you don't know what you're talking about.

These are machines. Machines break, no matter what the maintenance regime is. The number of cycles on these planes is awe inspiring, and while there are always squawks, the captain and FO always have the authority to ground a plane for any maintenance items they don't like.

> They were lucky that the weather was cooperating. In bad weather and strong winds who knows what would have happened.

Exactly the same thing would have happened. Maybe if it was raining or very cold we wouldn't have quite as much passenger cell phone footage from the runway. But weather had nothing to do with this, nice weather didn't make the landing any easier, and bad weather wouldn't have made it any harder. Ridiculous.

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Interesting! Do you know if it can just survive it and then needs to be scrapped or is it possible to replace the damaged hull plate(s) and (after thorough inspection) put the plane back into service?

They certainly can repair it, but in this case, given that Delta is already in the process of retiring the Boeing 717 (and replacing it with Airbus 220), they might just decide that it's not economical to do it anymore...

The specific plane (1), N955AT, is 22.6 years old. So not young, but not completely geriatric either. Delta seems to be the only major operator of the plane type, so don't think there'd be too many buyers. Delta also seems to have a fair few in storage(2) so a fair guess would be that they'd scrap it but keep the parts that they could still use on other planes as spares.

1) https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b717-55017.htm 2) https://www.airfleets.net/listing/b717-1-statdesc.htm

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

#75

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There's no point in waiting once you have run through the checklist and put the crash trucks in position.

Unless you want to burn fuel, but it sounds like that wasn't needed here.

If you suspect you're gonna turn into a hunk of bent metal sliding down the runway, I'd rather there only be a couple of gallons of fuel left, rather than a couple of hundred gallons.

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

#77

Non-USA resident here. Can someone explain all the four-letter news station names to me? Why not brand them with something more memorable / locally nuanced?

The FCC licenses are given with those station identifying letters and there’s a requirement to broadcast the station ID periodically. Many stations have an additional brand (often “Fox Boston”), but they still have to use the FCC ID as well. One of my favorite station IDs was an independent local analog UHF channel 56 with call letters WLVI. I heard those letters for years before I realized it was 56 in Roman numeral…

My absolute favorite is KNOW -- the news channel of the Minnesota Public Radio network. I think it's just about as perfect as you can get for a news channel.

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

#78

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There's no point in waiting once you have run through the checklist and put the crash trucks in position.

Maybe.. I’d wanna try a few more times

Everything is done via checklists. You don't just "try a few more times" unless there's some indication that you should. They only had 30 minutes of fuel left, and if they had an unrelated go-around and ran out of fuel while setting up for another landing, everyone dies.

Once you've run all the relevant checklists and ARFF is in position, you land the plane.

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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why don't they land on the tail instead of the nose? Seems a lot less risky to drag the back than scrape the front - which can flip the plane Is it simply the center of gravity? (engines look like they're behind)

Speculating: the nose is gonna come down anyway (as sokoloff said, CoG is ahead of the main landing gear), so it's safer for the front to impact from as little height as possible. If you hit tail-first and keep the nose up you're setting yourself up for a hefty impact when the front crashes down. Better to scrape from the start.

Once the mains touch down you keep the nose off as long as possible for minimal energy at impact. It will float down naturally and you don't really have any control over the manner in which it makes contact as long as you have full back pressure on the yoke. There's not really any way to affecting the height at which it starts coming down.
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