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Supreme Court strikes down affirmative action in college admissions

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Re: Supreme Court strikes down affirmative action in college admissions

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What does this mean in practice?

Double-digit increases of Asian students at top tier universities, primarily coming from decreases of nonwhite students. Probably a modest reverse version of that at the lower tier universities. Love the policy change or hate it, that’s what’s likely to happen.

>primarily coming from decreases of nonwhite students.

Asians aren’t White.

Re: Supreme Court strikes down affirmative action in college admissions

#92

Whatever your opinion about recent supreme court decisions, this has all underscored what has been true for a long time: Legislating via the judicial branch is a bad idea. If it only takes 5 out of 9 people to make laws for 600 million, it only takes one seat change to revert them. (Edit: sorry, 300 - pre-caffeine posting)

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Re: Supreme Court strikes down affirmative action in college admissions

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As someone of Hispanic descent this is very interesting to me. Affirmative Action probably helped my father, whose father was a construction worker and mother a homemaker both of whom dropped out of high school, get into college and ultimately become a doctor. But because my father was a doctor, I had a fairly privileged upbringing. I'm a generation removed, but growing up in California always had to indicate my back…

If affirmative action is what enabled your father to become a doctor, then it almost certainly sounds like the success story that motivates the action. I don’t know percent of the time a similar story is required to justify the means, but it sounds like you should embrace the path that your family’s life has taken. The alternative, presumably, would be effectively unfair knowing what could and then did become.

Re: Supreme Court strikes down affirmative action in college admissions

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I would like to see lotteries used for this type of thing, because they would be much easier to accept. You could have 10% or 20% percent of candidates chosen by lottery, or have a lottery for all candidates who have the minimum pre-requisites, etc. Some sort of randomness whould guarantee a diversity of candidates and would even span across dimensions which are not even considered currently.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The population of the US is roughly ~330M

But don't forget to add corporations to the total, because they are people too according to SCOTUS.

I see multiple ways of interpreting what you said:

1. SCOTUS considers corporations 'natural persons' in their decisions

2. SCOTUS considers 'corporate personhood' to encompass too many rights, you believe should be exclusive for 'natural persons'

3. Possible misunderstanding around the term 'corporate personhood'

Could you clarify a bit? I've seen a lot of (3.) on discussions around this, while claiming essentially (1.) happens or (2.) is what peopel try to complain about.

Re: Supreme Court strikes down affirmative action in college admissions

#96

As someone of Hispanic descent this is very interesting to me. Affirmative Action probably helped my father, whose father was a construction worker and mother a homemaker both of whom dropped out of high school, get into college and ultimately become a doctor. But because my father was a doctor, I had a fairly privileged upbringing. I'm a generation removed, but growing up in California always had to indicate my back…

> I went to MIT ... I was valedictorian [presumably in high school] and had a perfect score on the SATs

> I've always wondered if being Hispanic helped me get into college or into jobs

I've been on plenty of hiring committees for engineers and product owners. The fact that you have stellar academics and went to MIT stands out well more than your name or whatever your skin color is. Good for you for your accomplishments.

AA had a purpose and place at some moment in time. I think that moment has passed.

Re: Supreme Court strikes down affirmative action in college admissions

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post #76

Whatever your opinion about recent supreme court decisions, this has all underscored what has been true for a long time: Legislating via the judicial branch is a bad idea. If it only takes 5 out of 9 people to make laws for 600 million, it only takes one seat change to revert them. (Edit: sorry, 300 - pre-caffeine posting)

I completely agree with legislation via judicial branch being a bad idea. However, affirmative action isn't legislation. This is judicial review striking down policy (executive branch interpretation and implementation of legislation) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action https://www.history.com/topics/us-government-and-politics/af...

Judicial review has upheld the constitutionality of affirmative action policies for 40+ years, what changed is the composition of the Supreme Court and its related willingness to legislate from the bench -- abandoning stare decisis and judicial restraint.

We saw this with Roe last year.

Re: Supreme Court strikes down affirmative action in college admissions

#99

Whatever your opinion about recent supreme court decisions, this has all underscored what has been true for a long time: Legislating via the judicial branch is a bad idea. If it only takes 5 out of 9 people to make laws for 600 million, it only takes one seat change to revert them. (Edit: sorry, 300 - pre-caffeine posting)

The legislation in question (the Civil Rights Act) prohibits all racial discrimination and it was only previous (in my opinion, misguided) Supreme Court decisions that allowed affirmative action as an exception to that in the first place.

Re: Supreme Court strikes down affirmative action in college admissions

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A win for meritocracy - https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/new-chart-illustrates-graphic...

Meritocracy may not be what you think it is, or achieve the results you assume. See recent books by Markovits and Sandel: * https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/24/20919030/... * https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/10/21/20897021/meritocra... * https://press.princeton.edu/ideas/a-belief-in-meritocracy-is... * https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/01/the-myth-of-m... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me…

Okay, but race based admissions for college is bad and I'm glad its revoked.
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