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Supreme Court strikes down affirmative action in college admissions

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Re: Supreme Court strikes down affirmative action in college admissions

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I can see the social good of admitting disadvantaged groups, but how does it help the individual colleges?

I can't come up with a clear path from increased diversity to increased profitability.

I must be missing something because for profit entities don't do things out of the kindness of their heart.

Re: Supreme Court strikes down affirmative action in college admissions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Admissions departments will find proxies for race. The next year of Harvard freshmen will not be majority Asian. The admissions department won’t allow that to happen.

> Admissions departments will find proxies for race. And that would be the same thing. If someone can prove it, it's illegal.

What if they required a GPA of less than 4.0?

Re: Supreme Court strikes down affirmative action in college admissions

#74

What does this mean in practice?

Historically: Colleges were mostly establishment (liberal or otherwise)

1990s and 2000s: Asians do well on exams (and in workplace), take ever greater % of sets from establishment, competitively

2010s: Establishment realize that "BLM" and aim to give Asian seats to PoC, while also conveniently setting proportionately lower quotas for Asians so establishment retains seats they were losing

2020s: New ways found to prevent Asians from competitively winning seats (e.g., roadblocks on registration, etc)

Re: Supreme Court strikes down affirmative action in college admissions

#75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Legislating via the judicial branch is a bad idea. Perhaps, if there is no 75% majority of opinions at the supreme court, then the case is just put on hold indefinitely until new clarifying laws are passed?

Even if 100% of the court agreed, 9 people can't possibly represent 300 million in any representative way. Even Congress with 535 representatives isn't many. One representative for each 600,000 citizens? When was the last time a thousand Americans agreed on anything, much less half a million? We have one of the worst ratios in the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legislatures_by_number... Edit: And the SC…

They’re not supposed to be representative.

Democracy isn’t perfect, and they’re a check against some of the failings of the system.

Frankly, I’m shocked at how upset some of you are over racial discrimination being banned.

Re: Supreme Court strikes down affirmative action in college admissions

#76

Whatever your opinion about recent supreme court decisions, this has all underscored what has been true for a long time: Legislating via the judicial branch is a bad idea. If it only takes 5 out of 9 people to make laws for 600 million, it only takes one seat change to revert them. (Edit: sorry, 300 - pre-caffeine posting)

I completely agree with legislation via judicial branch being a bad idea. However, affirmative action isn't legislation. This is judicial review striking down policy (executive branch interpretation and implementation of legislation) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action https://www.history.com/topics/us-government-and-politics/af...

Re: Supreme Court strikes down affirmative action in college admissions

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A win for meritocracy - https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/new-chart-illustrates-graphic...

Meritocracy may not be what you think it is, or achieve the results you assume. See recent books by Markovits and Sandel:

* https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/24/20919030/...

* https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/10/21/20897021/meritocra...

* https://press.princeton.edu/ideas/a-belief-in-meritocracy-is...

* https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/01/the-myth-of-m...

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meritocracy#Criticism

The word's modern popularity originated in a pejorative meaning which was then lost:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rise_of_the_Meritocracy

Once people 'are in', they get more resources, and that allows for (e.g.) their children to have more opportunities, and so they then in turn win. If you have a person who does not 'get in' and 'win', then they have fewer resources / opportunities to show or develop what skills they may have: a doom-loop can become possible.

As an example of what resources can get you:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varsity_Blues_scandal

* https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/rick-singer-mastermin...

Re: Supreme Court strikes down affirmative action in college admissions

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> Nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise. But this is affirmative action. What did they strike down? Also god damn I hate this supreme court for overruling their own decisions. Even the ones I would personally benefit from. This is going to ruin the…

>> I hate this supreme court for overruling their own decisions

Which Supreme Court decision did they overrule here? They upheld the Equal Protection Clause. Should they have overruled that?

"Our Constitution is color-blind, and neither knows nor tolerates classes among citizens"

They upheld that. Should they have overruled it?

They had to overrule something. People are mad because they didn't overrule the Equal Protection Clause.

Re: Supreme Court strikes down affirmative action in college admissions

#80

As someone of Hispanic descent this is very interesting to me. Affirmative Action probably helped my father, whose father was a construction worker and mother a homemaker both of whom dropped out of high school, get into college and ultimately become a doctor. But because my father was a doctor, I had a fairly privileged upbringing. I'm a generation removed, but growing up in California always had to indicate my back…

Do "white" hispanics face the same issues as those of say Indian heritage?

I’m a white Latino and no, we don’t. Maybe on paper if someone assumes I’m mixed or Afrolatino, but I get all the privilege of being white passing. Not only that, if I’m hanging with brown Latinos they feel safer with me. I’ve often seen my friends stopped by police or given looks when alone but not with me.

The whole Hispanic thing is a mess in the US. Not only due to color of skin but culture and class. I have friends in my home country who are mixed and dark skinned but culturally fit with a suburban white American more.

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