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Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Post by aoetalks »

voxadam wrote: post #58

> NTSB investigating the runway landing of a Boeing 712 without the nose gear extended at Charlotte/Douglas International airport in Charlotte, North Carolina. It's difficult to trust a news source that can't properly identify an airframe model in an article about an airplane crash. As far as I can as a tell, Boeing has never produced a model 712, it appears what the plane in question is some variant of the 717[1] bu…

712 is another way to refer to a 717-200. Though it’s a bit odd they just didn’t say “717-200” in the article to reduce confusion.

https://flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/B712

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Post by bombcar »

DonHopkins wrote: post #38
bombcar wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are from the radio call signs - K or W is the first for almost all of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_call_signs

The other thing that might not be obvious to non-residents is that K is for West of the Mississippi, and W is for East. It must be weird to live near the Mississippi and get a mix of K and W station call signs!

W is for East. What a country!

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Post by mrmlz »

lr1970 wrote: post #57
chrisldgk wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Airplanes rarely get scrapped for parts because of incidents like this. They have pretty extensive maintenance and repair checklists, but afaik the rate of making vessels like this airworthy is pretty high.

> Airplanes rarely get scrapped for parts because of incidents like this. They have pretty extensive maintenance and repair checklists, ... And yet these "extensive maintenance checklists" did not prevent such a serious malfunction. They were lucky that the weather was cooperating. In bad weather and strong winds who knows what would have happened.

Nobody is assuming "extensive maintenance checklists" are _preventing_ serious malfunction. They do however reduce the risk for such events to occur to an acceptable level.

The likelihood for a malfunction is never zero.

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Post by voxadam »

aoetalks wrote: post #61
voxadam wrote: post #58

> NTSB investigating the runway landing of a Boeing 712 without the nose gear extended at Charlotte/Douglas International airport in Charlotte, North Carolina. It's difficult to trust a news source that can't properly identify an airframe model in an article about an airplane crash. As far as I can as a tell, Boeing has never produced a model 712, it appears what the plane in question is some variant of the 717[1] bu…

712 is another way to refer to a 717-200. Though it’s a bit odd they just didn’t say “717-200” in the article to reduce confusion. https://flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/B712

Thank you for the clarification. I should have searched around a bit more for an explanation before complaining about it here.

As soon as I have a little free time I'll do my best to update the relevant Wikipedia pages in hopes fewer people are confused by the nomenclature in the future.

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Post by jbverschoor »

swores wrote: post #34
jbverschoor wrote: post #20

They only circled around for a few minutes?

> landed without nose gear extended at 08:54L (12:54Z) about 12 minutes after the second go around and about 30 minutes after the first go around. Via Tepix 's comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36519150 In combination with what mannykannot replied to you, that doesn't sound particularly rushed to me (not that I'm an expert, but it would be surprising if they'd needed an hour for such a relatively common ty…

Mmm yeah I guess that should be enough

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Post by some_random »

lr1970 wrote: post #57
chrisldgk wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Airplanes rarely get scrapped for parts because of incidents like this. They have pretty extensive maintenance and repair checklists, but afaik the rate of making vessels like this airworthy is pretty high.

> Airplanes rarely get scrapped for parts because of incidents like this. They have pretty extensive maintenance and repair checklists, ... And yet these "extensive maintenance checklists" did not prevent such a serious malfunction. They were lucky that the weather was cooperating. In bad weather and strong winds who knows what would have happened.

Wearing a seatbelt doesn't prevent you from dying in a car accident, guess we might as well stop that too, sounds useless to me.

Re: Delta flight lands in Charlotte without front landing gear

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Post by ubermonkey »

noahmbarr wrote: post #26

First, pilots should be commended. 101 (or 104) souls were saved. This is an almost 23 year old plane. Even with checks and maintenance, was age a factor?

The airframe was 23 years old, but odds are pretty much everything else on the plane had been replaced, probably multiple times, in that service life.
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