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Ask HN: Why do VCS see market opportunity in dev tools?

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Re: Ask HN: Why do VCS see market opportunity in dev tools?

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It's because VCS is a dev tool. The capital invests approximately randomly and there is a small boosting effect due to content recommendation algorithms (i.e. search engines) having a difficult time disambiguating between VCS and VCs. Someone might ask "Which VCS should I invest time in learning to use?" while another might ask "Where should VCS invest? I'm asking for a friend."

Also, you'll be more likely to notice things happening in a field you're involved with.

Re: Ask HN: Why do VCS see market opportunity in dev tools?

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There’s lots of investment acquiring existing mature dev tools companies too. They definitely see something. It could just be a recurring revenue stream, but why that space? Lock-in?

It's a picks/shovels play in PE-land. They really like tools being successfully sold into .gov.

Re: Ask HN: Why do VCS see market opportunity in dev tools?

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> Every dev tool startups are getting funded. > beating reputed players like AWS, Auth0 etc? Maybe your view of "dev tool" is too broad. Identity shouldn't count as a dev tool. Perhaps security. It can be used to help manage end users. AWS isn't a "dev tool" either. There's no 1 answer as we're mixing in a lot of things. VCs will see things differently depending on what it is...

ok then let's narrow down to "Authentication/Authorization infrastructure" products like Auth0, AWS Cognito etc. There are atleast 5-6 startups who came up to this space in the last 3-4 years (after the acquisition of Auth0 by Okta for some $6B). And whenever such startups launch their product here in HN, most devs are like, what is the need for another product like this.

Biden's EO on cyber [0] mandates the agencies move to multifactor auth and zero trust architecture. Requirements on agencies flow through to their contractors, and eventually to the industries they regulate. When most consumer banks don't even do real 2FA (miss me with SMS pls), the TAM is yuuuge.

When the EO came out there were at least five publicly traded identity companies of any size: Okta, CyberArk, Sailpoint, Ping, Forgerock. Thoma Bravo subsequently bought Sailpoint, Ping, and Forgerock at meaningful premiums (~50%). VCs notice things like this.

[0] https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-action...

Re: Ask HN: Why do VCS see market opportunity in dev tools?

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Dev tools market is indeed an interesting business to make tons of money. Because of the huge value that it offers to businesses. If you look at the dev tool product companies (even open-source ones) started 10 years back, most of them were either acquired for billions, and many of them did IPO. And most VCs missed this opportunity since they were skeptical about this space.

I think that is what is driving the current VC funding trend in dev tools. Also, considering the future of software engineering, dev tools will have even more adoption than before.

And regarding the pessimistic comments in HN, they are mostly coming from people who lack in-depth knowledge about how businesses work.

Re: Ask HN: Why do VCS see market opportunity in dev tools?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

ok then let's narrow down to "Authentication/Authorization infrastructure" products like Auth0, AWS Cognito etc. There are atleast 5-6 startups who came up to this space in the last 3-4 years (after the acquisition of Auth0 by Okta for some $6B). And whenever such startups launch their product here in HN, most devs are like, what is the need for another product like this.

Biden's EO on cyber [0] mandates the agencies move to multifactor auth and zero trust architecture. Requirements on agencies flow through to their contractors, and eventually to the industries they regulate. When most consumer banks don't even do real 2FA (miss me with SMS pls), the TAM is yuuuge. When the EO came out there were at least five publicly traded identity companies of any size: Okta, CyberArk, Sailpoint,…

There's also the SOC 2 requirement and SSO makes that a lot easier.

Re: Ask HN: Why do VCS see market opportunity in dev tools?

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I love dev tools. Few reasons I can think of:

1. Software is everywhere. To build/run/manage software, you need Dev Tools. The demand can only go up as we continue to depend on software for everything.

2. Dev tools solve specific problems at least to start with. This makes it a bit easier to find PMF faster or die. Faster PMF = Faster Growth capability = Chances of Unicorn. VCs love that stuff.

3. Lot of current success already with Dev Tools as you mentioned. VCs have a herd mentality. They follow where the success is. Dev Tools has been hot for a while and will continue to be.

4. Dev Tools are usually started by techies who love building tools and cannot be started by MBA types usually. This means that the founders are usually solid with a background in those areas and they are likely to succeed more. Just my personal opinion.

Re: Ask HN: Why do VCS see market opportunity in dev tools?

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I love dev tools. Few reasons I can think of: 1. Software is everywhere. To build/run/manage software, you need Dev Tools. The demand can only go up as we continue to depend on software for everything. 2. Dev tools solve specific problems at least to start with. This makes it a bit easier to find PMF faster or die. Faster PMF = Faster Growth capability = Chances of Unicorn. VCs love that stuff. 3. Lot of current succ…

Good points. But I'm trying to understand why do they even fund startups even without a well defined moat? I've heard that VCs will fund (even seed round) only if the startup has a chance to make atleast $100M in ARR. Then why do they bet even on startups who just copy and without a proper moat?

Re: Ask HN: Why do VCS see market opportunity in dev tools?

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VCs throw shit at the wall and hope it sticks

It's not just hope right? Many of them are doing serious business. But I just don't know how they provide clear value.

I dunno man. WeWork, FTX, Web3...

The value they provide is mainly the networks they've built up. Friendly with a bunch of other people with money and influence in various fields.

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