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Re: Google is about to make life more difficult for custom ROM fans

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I agree with the many siblings that say this news is pretty irrelevant to people who use custom ROMs, but I don't think it's realistic to say that FOSS alternatives exist, at least for SMS. There are multiple references in this thread to Simple SMS, but that app is not at all ready for prime time. If your carrier/ROM didn't bundle an SMS app you can live with, I think you are out of luck. I'm glad to be proved wrong…

QKSMS is great!

Re: Google is about to make life more difficult for custom ROM fans

#132

I agree with the many siblings that say this news is pretty irrelevant to people who use custom ROMs, but I don't think it's realistic to say that FOSS alternatives exist, at least for SMS. There are multiple references in this thread to Simple SMS, but that app is not at all ready for prime time. If your carrier/ROM didn't bundle an SMS app you can live with, I think you are out of luck. I'm glad to be proved wrong…

I think the need for a featured SMS app might solely be an American problem. My SMS inbox is only occasional 2fa codes and any app with basic features is good enough for me.

Re: Google is about to make life more difficult for custom ROM fans

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post #33

Has the author of this article ever used a custom ROM? There are so many free alternatives for these apps out there. If I remember correctly, LineageOS ships with their own version of Dialer/Messages anyway. I usually replace them with the versions of SimpleMobileTools, which work just fine. The main difficulty for custom ROMs are not these standard apps. The real issues are bootloaders which cannot be unlocked, undo…

After spelunking into the dialer source code a bit, it seems the important stuff related to receiving and initiating calls are already handled by android's TelecomManager and the dialer only provides interface for users to interact with TelecomManager. I haven't really dig into Messages source code these days, but a few years ago I was making an app that can send MMS messages and it was insane how much heavy lifting…

QKSMS which I installed through F-droid works pretty well for me for years, FWIW.

Re: Google is about to make life more difficult for custom ROM fans

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post #132

I agree with the many siblings that say this news is pretty irrelevant to people who use custom ROMs, but I don't think it's realistic to say that FOSS alternatives exist, at least for SMS. There are multiple references in this thread to Simple SMS, but that app is not at all ready for prime time. If your carrier/ROM didn't bundle an SMS app you can live with, I think you are out of luck. I'm glad to be proved wrong…

I think the need for a featured SMS app might solely be an American problem. My SMS inbox is only occasional 2fa codes and any app with basic features is good enough for me.

I think there are enough American SMS users that the issue is worth discussing. We can also have a thread about how there is no FOSS Whatsapp client. I'd enjoy that discussion as well.

Re: Google is about to make life more difficult for custom ROM fans

#136

I agree with the many siblings that say this news is pretty irrelevant to people who use custom ROMs, but I don't think it's realistic to say that FOSS alternatives exist, at least for SMS. There are multiple references in this thread to Simple SMS, but that app is not at all ready for prime time. If your carrier/ROM didn't bundle an SMS app you can live with, I think you are out of luck. I'm glad to be proved wrong…

QKSMS is great!

I admit I passed over trying this for whatever reason. I'll try it now and report back.

Re: Google is about to make life more difficult for custom ROM fans

#137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If it uses proprietary Linux kernel modules Librem 5 doesn't use them.

What's your point? If free drivers are available you have the freedom to use free drivers. If they aren't available you don't unless you make them yourself.

My point is that for Linux phones you are free from those Googe-created problems of the long-term support. You simply use the mainline kernel and your device works forever.

> unless you make them yourself

You almost never can write free drivers yourself, because the hardware specs are closed. You would need to do reverse-engineering, which is too costly.

Re: Google is about to make life more difficult for custom ROM fans

#138
I used to flash custom ROMs regularly until 2021, when I bricked a second smartphone. It was a rare mishap (went smoothly the other times), but it made me too scared to try again. This is to say it's already an anxiety inducing operation without Google interfering.

Re: Google is about to make life more difficult for custom ROM fans

#139
post #33

Has the author of this article ever used a custom ROM? There are so many free alternatives for these apps out there. If I remember correctly, LineageOS ships with their own version of Dialer/Messages anyway. I usually replace them with the versions of SimpleMobileTools, which work just fine. The main difficulty for custom ROMs are not these standard apps. The real issues are bootloaders which cannot be unlocked, undo…

> It's getting more and more difficult to use Android without a Google Account. Good that is how they shoot themselves in the foot. The more they do this, the more people will realise they need alternative and ditch Android.

For all practical purposes, customers don't care about that. And the minority who cares is going to do what? move to an even more restrictive walled-garden?

Re: Google is about to make life more difficult for custom ROM fans

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post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like they've ditched Windows? People don't care about Android. They care about their apps. Some are fun, some are necessary. In my country, cash has been almost replaced by an app (just one), and it's getting harder to exist here without it (as I try to). That's just one example. I've heard of other places where compulsory national ID systems only exist as apps. And so on. Unless those apps becomes available out…

A compulsory national ID system already means they are living in a police state, so they have worse issues to worry about than this. Also, maybe at some point the UE countries will start to enforce the CJUE directive that banned US companies (and especially GAFAMs) in 2015 (after the war is over ?), this would open quite a space for competition !

I never understood this. Do you have a driver's license? Do you have a job? Do you but stuff? Have a bank account? a credit card? health insurance? Do you use the internet? Do you pay taxes?

You are already in a lot of national databases, you're easily trackable already. You already are subject to all of your alleged downsides without the benefits of having a single document.

Do you really believe that an American has more freedom than, let's say, a Switzerland citizen? Really????

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