US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jun 29, 2023, 4:14 AM UTC

gfodor wrote: post #413

theptip wrote: post #215

This is a push from Congress to force programs into the open that are secretly capturing Russian/Chinese UAVs right? Folks on the committees are angry that China is trolling US Navy vessels with UAVs and this isn’t being publicized. The “non-earth” origin is the smokescreen, “exotic” covers foreign secret research projects? Something a bit convoluted like this is orders of magnitude more probable in my world model. (…

No, it's a push from Congress to determine if the US has been storing retrieved non-human spacecraft. Hope that helps.

Post by aniforprez » Thu, Jun 29, 2023, 4:23 AM UTC

cgriswald wrote: post #560

TechBro8615 wrote: post #499

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Quite generous of you to assume the aliens are only (the equivalent of) ~150 years ahead of us. Would the ancient Egyptians have had as much success reverse engineering an iPad as some Victorian-era scientists? It seems the crucial element (pardon the pun) is that they wouldn't know what to look for. The Victorians knew enough about chemistry that they could figure out the material composition of various components.…

No, that does not follow. You're arguing for a sort of technology threshold beyond which we cannot see (presumably within a reasonable time frame). However, which side of said threshold we are on, even for technology from a civilization a million years older, isn't clear. I am not convinced it can be clear, since we'd be arguing about properties of a hypothetical craft. A time-based argument is probably not useful. T…

Post by runald » Thu, Jun 29, 2023, 4:26 AM UTC

quickthrowman wrote: post #467

esbranson wrote: post #421

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Occam's razor tells us it's unlikely that all those unlikely failures happened at once. Videos, multiple eyewitnesses and AEGIS military radars. Lol.

Now apply Occam’s razor to the following two choices: 1. Aliens have visited Earth. They crashed their spaceships or we shot them down. The US Government (and possibly other governments) retrieved and studied their technology and managed to keep it a secret for decades 2. Aliens have not visited Earth

Post by barbariangrunge » Thu, Jun 29, 2023, 4:45 AM UTC

haswell wrote: post #63

I’m not saying that I buy into these narratives, but in the interest of curiosity and for sake of argument… Let’s say that there are real ET craft, and let’s say that the US government has indeed been retrieving and studying them for decades. If such analysis unlocks technology breakthroughs of the kind that would solve say, energy problems, the government now has the problem of sitting on secrets that it has no lega…

Post by barbariangrunge » Thu, Jun 29, 2023, 4:49 AM UTC

moffkalast wrote: post #397

pc86 wrote: post #285

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What are you smoking where there's a clear line from "this thing crashed in the desert 50 years ago, we still know basically nothing about it" to everyone becoming an atheist and tax evader? Alien intelligence would be one of the most important discoveries of our species but you still have to wake up the next morning and go to work.

A real eye opener regarding this has been the ongoing war in Ukraine. For some reason I always had this picture of war being people constantly hiding in bunkers, looting and stealing in a sort of apocalyptic doomsday prepper way, whoever remains working in tank factories around the clock, that sort of thing. But no, their entire country is being blown up on a daily basis, apartments being hit by cruise missiles, stre…