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Re: We raised a bunch of money

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Post by tptacek »

belfalas wrote: post #424
maliker wrote: post #352

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Probably a couple more years of good service until they get acquired. They're leaps and bounds better than the container services on AWS and Azure, solidly better than the GCP one. Seems like they could sell to get their exits before too long. Although I would be very happy if they had the pain tolerance to continue as their own company.

> Probably a couple more years of good service until they get acquired. Solid prediction. It is more likely than unlikely that this will be the outcome. Once you raise VC funds the exit clock starts ticking.

Then that clock started ticking years ago, so factor that in to your decision to do business with us --- the hour approaches, and quicker than you once thought.

Re: We raised a bunch of money

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Post by Macha »

hanspeter wrote: post #405
duxup wrote: post #228

"We raised a bunch of money" Generally speaking (I'm not a fly.io customer) at this point that phrase WORRIES me as a customer of any service. It makes me think that the company exists just on a constant flow of VC or similar money and what I'm using or paying for isn't a realistic or future cost and I'm involved with a system or platform that is getting stretched larger and larger regardless of income and the more m…

That's interesting. When I see such a message from a service where I'm a customer, it removes worry. - It validates the product. - It tells me that they're more likely to succeed than their competitors. - I'm confident they won't go away anytime soon. - I expect them to improve their product faster.

> - I'm confident they won't go away anytime soon.

> - I expect them to improve their product faster.

These are... very much not guaranteed in my experience. For a lot of these products, they may as well go away when they switch to a model that is 10x more expensive unless you gut features 3-4 years down the road, and it's not clear the improvements they make are to the benefit of existing customers vs chasing new ones.

Re: We raised a bunch of money

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Post by yawnxyz »

donmcronald wrote: post #319
duxup wrote: post #228

"We raised a bunch of money" Generally speaking (I'm not a fly.io customer) at this point that phrase WORRIES me as a customer of any service. It makes me think that the company exists just on a constant flow of VC or similar money and what I'm using or paying for isn't a realistic or future cost and I'm involved with a system or platform that is getting stretched larger and larger regardless of income and the more m…

> It makes me think that the company exists just on a constant flow of VC or similar money and what I'm using or paying for isn't a realistic or future cost and I'm involved with a system or platform that is getting stretched larger and larger regardless of income and the more money they raise the harder the fall will be. This is where I always get burned. As they get larger and larger, and the product gets more comp…

Wasn't this the case with Vercel? They started out as Now v1 which was closer to Fly.io, and... became whatever the heck they are now, which is very different from where they started.

Re: We raised a bunch of money

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Post by Aeolun »

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #294
Aeolun wrote: post #163

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> I don't think you can build an interesting public cloud without raising money Only if your condition is that you want to do it in the next 3 years. Given 15, I imagine quite a lot is possible.

Sure. And in 15 years you'll have something that might have been relevant 15 years ago.

The world is full of companies like that. Often making boatloads of money with their 15 year outdated practices and tech.

Re: We raised a bunch of money

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Post by urda »

tptacek wrote: post #32
candiddevmike wrote: post #29

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Unfortunately for fly, us-east-1 has better reliability then their product.

We're not. For a company of our age and scale? To claim competitive reliability to the world's most important data center? Risible. We're making fun of the fact that everybody deploys their apps in a random city in Virginia with like 3 restaurants in it. We're not saying they're dumb to do it, or that Ashburn isn't up to the challenge --- it self-evidently is. (The comment I'm responding to said something about peopl…

So you fuss at your users who have valid complaints about the availability of your product? It's a valid complaint when the uptime of a service, program, or feature running is critical to your business.

I'm really concerned that Fly's employees like yourself think availability and service uptime isn't important. I think I'll be avoiding Fly on this alone.

Re: We raised a bunch of money

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Post by scarface_74 »

kkielhofner wrote: post #280
SamuelAdams wrote: post #237

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As a counterpoint, anyone working with compliance data needs to know and be certain that data does not cross geo-boundaries. Intelligence data for US gov’t agencies must typically be kept stateside: AWS uses the GovCloud region specifically for satisfying gov compliance requirements. Passing HIPAA data through other countries when not needed to is generally frowned upon - data should be kept as local as reasonably po…

Cloudflare does this although to my knowledge it's not available without an Enterprise subscription which is the only thing they offer with this level of compliance anyway. All lower plans maybe get PCI DSS and that's it. It's a valid counter to my point - while they clearly can do it locking it behind an enterprise "talk to us" subscription is lame. That said they are generally customer, market, and product savvy an…

> Amazon to basically rubber stamp these architectures and solutions with a HIPAA BAA so that companies think they can call themselves "HIPAA compliant".

N-2 companies ago I was a tech lead in 2015 where we were migrating to AWS. AWS was constantly explaining which underlying services were HIPAA compliant and what you build on top of it was your responsibility. I had to answer to separate non AWS compliance folks about my architecture.

AWS also gave guidance. But made no promises that your implementation was compliant. That’s where the entire “shared responsibility model” comes in.

Now, I work at AWS in ProServe. I am very familiar with our messaging regarding HIPAA compliance. We are very careful not to rubber stamp things as compliant. I know the best practices in and out. But when I’m asked if something is compliant, I say this is the guidance we are given. I’ll do a presentation before an Architecture Review board. But I would never make anything that hints as a guarantee.

Re: We raised a bunch of money

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Post by yieldcrv »

PKop wrote: post #63
yieldcrv wrote: post #16

so I'm guessing Vercel and Netlify deploy cloud functions only to the "least worst datacenter"? while Fly.io deploys compute instances to more regions and also has a database? asking because I've been content with Vercel and Netlify's CDN for frontend assets and simply stopped doing system design around relational storage, when I want to stay on a free tier.

More languages is the bigger difference... also not just cloud functions but full servers.

ah right they are just js and python right? with a heavy preference for next

Re: We raised a bunch of money

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Post by throw10920 »

Zetice wrote: post #184
munificent wrote: post #148

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> why are you on a site whose community is literally created and run by a startup accelerator? Why do missionaries go where no one believes their religion already? The idea that you must already be a believer in some community to participate in the community makes little sense and certainly isn't a good way to make progress. > I guess my only other question is why seek attention like this? Would you also characterize…

All commenting is attention seeking, my question was: why do it antagonistically like this? And further, why go on a (holy) mission to convince people funding companies is bad? That's a weird windmill to tilt at...

Because they have a political agenda to push and have decided that Hacker News is a good place to push it (even though that's a blatant violation of the HN guidelines).

Re: We raised a bunch of money

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Post by throw10920 »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #45

Will you be publishing a follow up blog post about how you’re increasing API user fees once you’ve monopolized your particular market? Or how about how you’ll be increasing margins for investors in 5 years as you prepare for your IPO? Why won’t you suffer the fate of every single other tech company that raises a shit load of money which is completely and irrevocably selling out any pretense of being beneficial for cu…

This kind of comment is blatantly violating the HN guidelines in both letter and spirit - it's a generic political tangent meant to spark a flamewar that has no informational content or value whatsoever.

Re: We raised a bunch of money

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Post by grog454 »

donmcronald wrote: post #329
grog454 wrote: post #323

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> Generally speaking (I'm not a fly.io customer) at this point that phrase WORRIES me as a customer of any service. Any time I read an announcement like this I refresh my knowledge of competitors and make a mental note that it might be time to switch soon. > It makes me think that the company exists just on a constant flow of VC or similar money and what I'm using or paying for isn't a realistic or future cost and I'…

> If you're an investor that's a valid concern. But as a user? I've been happy to have VC finding subsidize my food via Hello Fresh etc. whenever I'm inclined. It's not the same though because you're the end consumer in that scenario and there's no downside to the business disappearing tomorrow. Instead, imagine if you built a restaurant serving food you get from Hello Fresh. How do you price your meals to ensure you…

> imagine if you built a restaurant serving food you get from Hello Fresh

Seems like a flawed business strategy. Ex: I currently use AWS, Linode, and Vultr for different regions and services for a single app. Avoiding vendor lock-in isn't trivial but is definitely something you can design for.

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