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Plex lays off more than 20 percent of its staff

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Re: Plex lays off more than 20 percent of its staff

#91

Apps are the main driver. If there isnt a very strong client ecosystem it will always be niche. I run jellyfin side by side just waiting for a good tvos client

Can jellyfin reverse engineer the server so it works with plex client?

We have no interest in doing that.

We do however have a tvOS client in development.

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#92
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( This happened 2017~2018 ) It's so interesting to hear this one, I interviewed with them because I had some random linked in notification, I use their product, I wanted to be a part of it and I worked on a similar proprietary platform with live tv. Loved that work. From the job spec, I was maybe over qualified but it was Plex, it's sitting in my NAS, remote servers phone and tablets, purchased multiple time from the…

So just to clarify, if someone is even half as good as you, they’re still pretty damn good?

Maybe it depends on which half.

Re: Plex lays off more than 20 percent of its staff

#93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's commodity software. It's hard to justify a recurring subscription for something like this. It targets advanced users. If they can set up plex, they can set up alternatives too. And plex does not invest much in improving the core product. I don't remember it as being any better than it was 5-10 years ago. It still has rough edges. Skipping title/end credits is a nice feature though.

There have been huge improvements to the transcoder over the past couple of years. I think on-demand subtitles was also a relatively new feature which is huge over having to download them yourself and finding out the subtitle track sucked and having to delete that one and download a different one, and then woops that subtitle track was the same as the first, have to do it a third time.

Isn't the transcoder just ffmpeg ? From as far back as I can remember, plex does not work well over an internet link. It will play a stream, but as soon as you try to seek, skip, resume, etc. it throws its hands up. Given enough bandwidth and reasonable latency, you expect the experience to mirror youtube or netflix, but plex is not even close.

Re: Plex lays off more than 20 percent of its staff

#94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been huge improvements to the transcoder over the past couple of years. I think on-demand subtitles was also a relatively new feature which is huge over having to download them yourself and finding out the subtitle track sucked and having to delete that one and download a different one, and then woops that subtitle track was the same as the first, have to do it a third time.

Isn't the transcoder just ffmpeg ? From as far back as I can remember, plex does not work well over an internet link. It will play a stream, but as soon as you try to seek, skip, resume, etc. it throws its hands up. Given enough bandwidth and reasonable latency, you expect the experience to mirror youtube or netflix, but plex is not even close.

Plex uses a fork of ffmpeg that they iterate on and presumably cherry pick changes over from upstream ffmpeg, as well as add their own changes on top of. They also contribute back to upstream ffmpeg when they find a bug or optimization for ffmpeg. But working from their fork allows them to iterate at their own internal cadence.

> Given enough bandwidth and reasonable latency, you expect the experience to mirror youtube or netflix, but plex is not even close.

The funny thing about people is that they say things like this without considering that their own setups are to blame. YouTube is ran by servers outside of your control with content delivery mechanisms caching popular videos in a datacenter SSD near you. I run my Plex server on a relatively old Intel NUC in a docker container with the storage mounted over NFS from a 4 year old Synology NAS. I'm typing this message with another window open on my Plex server which I had skipping around a video with near instant playback when I move the play head (even outside of the reported buffered zones.)

Re: Plex lays off more than 20 percent of its staff

#95

From my nieve point of view, I think, they made a mistake with the $100 lifetime fee (was that about a decade ago!). I paid that and have been using it since, and have never made another payment since.

I'm a lifetime subscriber and if they chose to charge monthly I'd pay it. I've gotten a lot of value from Plex.

I’m a lifetime subscriber that recently moved which brought down my media server. It will probably be another 3 months until it’s back up…if Plex screwed their lifetime subscribers by trying to get more money out of us…I’d cancel my service and zealously criticize them for the duration of my previous subscription

Re: Plex lays off more than 20 percent of its staff

#96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been huge improvements to the transcoder over the past couple of years. I think on-demand subtitles was also a relatively new feature which is huge over having to download them yourself and finding out the subtitle track sucked and having to delete that one and download a different one, and then woops that subtitle track was the same as the first, have to do it a third time.

Isn't the transcoder just ffmpeg ? From as far back as I can remember, plex does not work well over an internet link. It will play a stream, but as soon as you try to seek, skip, resume, etc. it throws its hands up. Given enough bandwidth and reasonable latency, you expect the experience to mirror youtube or netflix, but plex is not even close.

The issue you mentioned is why I can’t use the Plex client for playback. I use Infuse which handles seeking fine so clearly it’s not an unsolvable problem. Crazy Plex hasn’t addressed it.

Re: Plex lays off more than 20 percent of its staff

#97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the transcoder just ffmpeg ? From as far back as I can remember, plex does not work well over an internet link. It will play a stream, but as soon as you try to seek, skip, resume, etc. it throws its hands up. Given enough bandwidth and reasonable latency, you expect the experience to mirror youtube or netflix, but plex is not even close.

Plex uses a fork of ffmpeg that they iterate on and presumably cherry pick changes over from upstream ffmpeg, as well as add their own changes on top of. They also contribute back to upstream ffmpeg when they find a bug or optimization for ffmpeg. But working from their fork allows them to iterate at their own internal cadence. > Given enough bandwidth and reasonable latency, you expect the experience to mirror youtu…

The difference is LAN v/s internet. Doing anything on LAN is a solved problem for pretty much all software. The experience deteriorates severely once you access over the internet. I continue to use plex behind nginx on a rented server, but the experience is nothing to write home about.

Re: Plex lays off more than 20 percent of its staff

#98

It's going to be extremely annoying if Plex goes out of business.

Do you use paid features of Plex and if yes, which ones? Im using Plex daily to stream shows stored on a SSD connected to Windows laptop. I think I would not miss on any paid features they provide. Initially when I decided to try to watch less mindless tv stuff, I thought there will be a plethora of solutions for home streaming but it turned out that the only one that actually works is Plex

Downloading onto devices is my only real feature

Sure there are other ways to do it, but Plex just makes it easy, so I paid

Re: Plex lays off more than 20 percent of its staff

#99
Plex can be amazing, but the core user community has absolutely no idea what the heck the Plex devs are doing these days. I've almost never seen such a disconnect between product development and key user community. /r/plex is basically full of posts complaining about long-standing requests, bugs, and broken features that are just simply ignore, followed by posts of "plex just released new feature literally nobody is asking for or wants, wtf?"

Most of the WTF feature releases are rolled back or deprecated within a few releases. So the community tends to be right on with what Plex should be doing. There's a lot of pigheadedness on the engineering side it looks like.

I also agree the lifetime pass was a bad business move. I think a better model would have been something like "pay $45, get every release in this major version, new major versions come out approximately every year" or with an alternate tier that would be "use plex, pay $35 per year, get all the updates". It would have smoothed out revenue and focused development on paying customer demands.

Re: Plex lays off more than 20 percent of its staff

#100
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It's going to be extremely annoying if Plex goes out of business.

Plex has a tough business model. It’s hard to make money from the pirates.

I pirate because a lot of content is not available in my country. I pay for all the services that are available to me. Plex serves me well for the ones I can't buy and I bought a lifetime subscription last year. If they asked for money for future updates I'd probably pay if the amount was reasonable.
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