US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

Post by esbranson » Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 9:56 PM UTC

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yeah the person(Mick West) who did the debunking is a retired gaming software engineer who is also somewhat of a known troll and has zero background in the field of avionic systems used by the fighter pilots. Some of his debunking statements are borderline absurd, you have a sighting that is seen on FLIR, radar and has an eyewitness testimony along with video and his statement is the pilot who has flown for 10 years…

Here's my post in response to a comment in the "US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles" HN thread[1] from a few weeks ago that addresses this: > Watch the introduction to the 4 hour UAP panel that NASA hosted a few days ago[2], they address this. > According to NASA, even highly trained and experienced pilots can easily be fooled, and often reported UAPs are artifacts of the tec…

Post by thrtythreeforty » Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 9:58 PM UTC

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All entertaining to speculate, but it's classic human-centered thinking to suppose that aliens would be regularly appearing a few thousand feet or so from us, but never ever anywhere in the rest of the billions of miles of our solar system and everywhere else in between here and wherever they came from (in addition to their conveniently never appearing within clear view of regular citizens' phones or cameras and neve…

“never appearing within clear view of cameras” - the signal to noise ratio is abysmal, but they have and do. Thing is, accepting the idea of the extraordinary and inexplicable is rather difficult for humans. Doug Adams explained it pretty succinctly with his idea of the “somebody else’s problem” field, whereby you could paint a mountain bright pink, and it would become invisible to a majority of observers through its…

Post by mcpackieh » Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 9:59 PM UTC

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In this context, it actually makes sense to think in a human-centered way. Consider how many planets are capable of supporting intelligent (as we know it). Now suppose we detect evidence of industrial behavior (certain pollutants, nuclear detonation, etc). Would we not laser focus on that one planet and observe it with everything we have - including sending reconnaissance drones? Furthermore, would we not want to avo…

> Also, it would be trivial to avoid detection in our own solar system. Duck behind a moon or planet, or just quietly float in the blackness of space, and no earthling will ever see you. Feels like we're approaching a God of the gaps scenario here, but with aliens.

Post by esbranson » Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 10:00 PM UTC

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All the people here claiming new types of drones and secret programs dating back decades have clearly never worked in defense. Most of the US military, the best funded in the world, is decades behind the private sector on computing technology -- it's honestly unthinkable to me that their propulsion technology would be decades (or centuries) ahead. The best engineers and scientists have taken Silicon Valley jobs payin…

> And why are we acting like this is a new phenomenon? It's been going on since at least the 1940's Exactly what has been going on since the 40s though? The Roswell Incident in 1947 was a balloon. There was no evidenced advanced propulsion technology, neither from aliens or the government. It was just a balloon that got blown up into an massive bizarre cultural phenomena of people whispering rumors about alien spacec…

Post by krapp » Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 10:02 PM UTC

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What does the press get them? The Russians/Chinese or whomever are flying these theoretical UAVs know they aren't alien, the US government knows they aren't alien, and now not only us the US exposing its intelligence capabilities (or lack thereof,) they're making themselves look like fools in the process.

It's better for adversaries to think you're incompetent or dumb than it is to let them know that you're on to them and/or can defeat their latest measures if it comes down to it. They might try harder next time, and actually outclass you. One aspect of such surveillance missions is to see how the US responds to these incidents, in order to learn about technology and methods that are used and that adversaries might no…