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“Policy X is useless because it did not stop every single instance of the thing it was trying to reduce” is a fallacious argument. Seat belts did not halt deaths in auto accidents, etc. Secrecy may or may not be warranted, but this is not a good argument against it.
we should ban all Chinese people from the country because we certainly cannot stop all exhilaration of secrets, but better to stop some than none.
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Why wouldn't the government just announce that the new tech was created in any of 1000 labs? I am sure there is a scientist somewhere willing to take credit can get a nobel prize. Or just say it was discovered by Darpa, don't ask questions but here is how it works?
Supposedly a few pieces of technology that we use in military and everyday use were created using alien technology. Stealth fighters and holograms. But I have read the book about the engineering/creation of the f-117 stealth fighter at skunkworks and nothing in that airplane doesn't seem like it could be created using currently understood scientific principles. One thing that did stand out was the timeline from creat…
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> But people love talking about this stuff, so you can't blame Rubio for indulging it The conclusion here does not follow the premise.
> The conclusion here does not follow the premise. Why? Are you saying politicians don't like pageantry? Or are you saying that specifically Rubio is more about pragmatism and uniquely not part of the Kabuki theater?
No, I am saying that their indulging in it, regardless of whether it is feeding into something popular in some segment is not, simply because of that popularity, beyond reproach.
> Or are you saying that specifically Rubio is more about pragmatism and uniquely not part of the Kabuki theater?
Oh, hell, no!
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Those mirrors aren't exotic technology. They're undoubtedly very expensive and difficult to produce but at the end of the day they're as mundane as any other first surface mirror. They don't evidence the government having some sort of new paradigm of technology kept secret, like antigravity instead of normal airplanes or something like that.
> they're as mundane as any other first surface mirror This is a huge understatement. Like calling GPT4 "as mundane as any other transformer." Just because things have a high abstraction similarity doesn't mean the details aren't critical. Very expensive and difficult to produce __is__ exotic technology. There's also a large range of "paradigm shifting" technologies between here and antigravity. Don't listen to YouTu…
Not in the sense of antigravity. Enough money and time can buy you an arbitrarily nice mirror, it doesn't rely on presently unknown to the public attributes of the universe.
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All entertaining to speculate, but it's classic human-centered thinking to suppose that aliens would be regularly appearing a few thousand feet or so from us, but never ever anywhere in the rest of the billions of miles of our solar system and everywhere else in between here and wherever they came from (in addition to their conveniently never appearing within clear view of regular citizens' phones or cameras and neve…
In this context, it actually makes sense to think in a human-centered way. Consider how many planets are capable of supporting intelligent (as we know it). Now suppose we detect evidence of industrial behavior (certain pollutants, nuclear detonation, etc). Would we not laser focus on that one planet and observe it with everything we have - including sending reconnaissance drones? Furthermore, would we not want to avo…
Still human-centric to assume they would know what we can detect.
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> but never ever anywhere in the rest of the billions of miles of our solar system and everywhere else in between here and wherever they came from How would you or anyone else know this?
No one has a monopoly on the sky. Amateur astronomers track active satellite missions, discover asteroids, mine public sky survey data to analyze stars, etc, etc. If there was anything out of the ordinary on the visible spectrum regularly showing up in our solar system (especially if it involved a lot of beelining towards Earth), it couldn't be hidden.
> rest of the billions of miles of our solar system
Which we have to send satellites out to see, which image minuscule windows of space. Here are some of the very best pictures from ground based telescopes: https://phys.org/news/2017-07-ground-based-images-planets-pi... Entire continents of Earth would be missed with that sort of resolution. And, with the need to average over time, whatever massive structure would have to stay relatively still.
Most detection of distance objects is through occlusion of stars, not direct sensing. Good luck trying to find something something smaller moving at high/relativistic speeds, which would be a fairly reasonable requirement for not having to plan ahead for a multi thousands of years space trip.
I don't really believe that space ships are flying around in our solar system, but I don't think us not seeing them, with our limited sensing, acts as any sort of counter evidence.
I’m not saying that I buy into these narratives, but in the interest of curiosity and for sake of argument… Let’s say that there are real ET craft, and let’s say that the US government has indeed been retrieving and studying them for decades. If such analysis unlocks technology breakthroughs of the kind that would solve say, energy problems, the government now has the problem of sitting on secrets that it has no lega…
It's possible as well that the technology used in such a device would be entirely indecipherable to us due to not just being more advanced, but due to being on the other side of a technological 'leap' that we're nowhere near making ourselves. If you gave a broken iPad to the greatest minds of the mid-19th century and they expended all the resources at the world's disposal to study it, it's likely that they wouldn't l…
The mid-19th century would make eventual headway with an iPad, but not much if all they were left with was the remnants of one that had been vaporized.
Let's look at this as rationally as possible: People have been claiming to see UFOs for years, ever since the popularization in mass media with the start of "the war of the worlds". In nearly all cases, even (at the time) credible sightings were advanced weapons programs. Additionally, with the proliferation of everyone having access to relatively high quality cameras, the amount of "legitimate" sightings has dropped…
I would put weight on this if it were to re-occur. The navy has done lots and lots and lots and lots of drills since 2004. Nothing like this has magically re-appeared.
These objects are being picked up by navy pilots all the time.
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This would be a stronger theory if the UFO triggers in congress weren’t also the most credulous / disingenuous believers in numerous other conspiracy theories, and only slightly further behind in their advocacy for corruption. Maybe there is fraud and the wrong people are getting rich from it?
These people are at odds with the military industrial complex.
> he’s secured funding and supported programmatic changes that have seen continued growth in Florida’s defense industrial base
> Since 2011, Rubio has secured more than $2 billion in military construction in the state.
> In 2021, Rubio’s many years of supporting the F-35 program reaped additional rewards in the Panhandle when the Air Force announced that Eglin Air Force Base would receive a second F-35A Squadron
That Marco Rubio is at odds with the military industrial complex?
1. https://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/fighting-for-f...
Still looking for evidence. Any evidence at all. Anyone? Bueller?