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Post by Animats »

MoSattler wrote: post #30

The government has previously used UFOs to divert attention. > Over half of all U.F.O. reports from the late 1950's through the 1960's were accounted for by manned reconnaissance flights'' over the United States, the C.I.A. study says. ''This led the Air Force to make misleading and deceptive statements to the public in order to allay public fears and to protect an extraordinarily sensitive national security project.…

The "flying triangles" seen from US naval vessels look like jet drones. [1] Those are commercial products, priced around $10,000. One of those zipping around looks like a UFO. Some versions can hover pointing upward; they have enough thrust.

There's not much distinction left between hobbyist drones and military UAVs. Ukraine is going through about 10,000 drones a month. They start with hobbyist parts and add weapons.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPGDAZyQ44k

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Post by Gud »

aredox wrote: post #149
Gud wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about the other half?

Almost all of Earth's population carries a camera (with their phones), and yet sightings of UFOs (or any cryptid) have been at an all-time low. https://xkcd.com/1235/

Well, there are plenty of UFO recordings using iPhones.

I don't consider it credible evidence however. There is much better evidence out there, primarily from the U.S. military. Sadly most of it is classified.

Consider this - the flying saucer craze really took off right after the United States developed the atomic bomb - wouldn't such an event pique the interest of an advanced civilization?

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Post by godelski »

throwaway4aday wrote: post #191
NovemberWhiskey wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ehh, what's the SV state of the art in low-observability, or railguns, or high-precision fuzing? I'm thinking "not very much".

Not SV but there's a lot of aerospace companies in Cali and the rest of the SW. The guy[0] who invented the first modern UAV that became the basis of the military's entire drone program was running his company out of his garage in LA, literally a garage startup. This is why DARPA exists and funds companies outside of the direct purview of military R&D. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Karem

So you get it then. Military tech is developed by companies. They are coupled. All those secret jets and rockets aren't built by military engineers with no affiliation to any private entity, they are built through contractors who get paid way more than government salaries but are still given clearances and cannot sell their top of the line technologies to the public. I mean Lockheed built the SR71. That's how this works. I'm confused why so many people are confused. The problem is about the ridiculous price tags and maybe (or maybe not) that the military non-contractor salaries are rather low. But there is no shortage of contractors.

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Post by esaym »

treyfitty wrote: post #147
lend000 wrote: post #139

All the people here claiming new types of drones and secret programs dating back decades have clearly never worked in defense. Most of the US military, the best funded in the world, is decades behind the private sector on computing technology -- it's honestly unthinkable to me that their propulsion technology would be decades (or centuries) ahead. The best engineers and scientists have taken Silicon Valley jobs payin…

That “government employee doesn’t get paid enough to attract talent” trope has to die. I work with many government employees that are not beholden to the government pay scales and get special exemptions to be compensated “at market rates.” You’d be surprised how many tech employees inside government clear $750k

Then how do I join?

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Post by bsaul »

eli wrote: post #138
bsaul wrote: post #130

This whole narrative on UFO coming from US Gov at the exact same moment the fear around covid has faded is so suspicious.. It's really really hard not to see it as a pathetic attempt at keeping the population in a state of mass hysteria. (yes i know this sound completely paranoïd, but i have absolutely no other idea why they would do that)

Sounds more nonsensical than anything. Why would "they" want to do this? Who is "they"? Marco Rubio is talking about UFOs now, but he played down covid and was against lockdowns and masking.

So it's just a feeling then. Although i talked to another friend who made exactly the same observation on its own, without concerting: all of the sudden, some very official sounding declarations from US "officials" making public statement suggesting there may be something real after all about UFOs.

I have no idea who "they" is, but i assume it's pretty easy for a small group of congressmen to spread rumors and declarations on a given topic in the media (from my understanding it is done regularely as a consequence of lobbyist work).

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Post by uhtred »

lend000 wrote: post #139

All the people here claiming new types of drones and secret programs dating back decades have clearly never worked in defense. Most of the US military, the best funded in the world, is decades behind the private sector on computing technology -- it's honestly unthinkable to me that their propulsion technology would be decades (or centuries) ahead. The best engineers and scientists have taken Silicon Valley jobs payin…

It does seem odd that people would put their reputation on the line by making up a story about seeing a UFO.

For example, why would this guy lie about it publicly: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/06/03/opinion/night-i-saw-u...

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Post by Gud »

mr_00ff00 wrote: post #143
Gud wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about the countless credible eye witnesses? Not everyone who claims they have witnessed a UFO is a kook...

There are also tons of people who have claimed to see ghosts, tons of medieval peasants that saw witches, tons of people accused of summoning the devil in the 80s. There are tons of people, the chances they misread something (kook or not) is high.

You make a valid point and which is why eye witness evidence is not sufficient.

However combined with what has been otherwise documented, I consider it a possibility we are being visited by aliens.

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Post by botro »

subsubzero wrote: post #114
taraharris wrote: post #37

If they're lying, they have a moral obligation to declassify everything they know. If they're telling the truth, they have a moral obligation to declassify everything they know. Official secrecy is fundamentally incompatible with the needs of an informed public capable of voting intelligently within a democratic republic.

But.. The US Govt. has zero reasons to acknowledge existence of a non-human superior technology spacecraft. It would undermine their position as world super power and destabilize trust and security in the country and could lead to mass instability and a slow down of technological progress. And if they are running a massive psyops deception campaign it would make the public lose the last vestige of trust left in the g…

Would a US President have the necessary clearance to know of the existence of non-human superior technology spacecraft? A former US President is recorded on tape boasting about knowledge of US military plans to invade Iran.

I don't mean to make this political at all, just trying to reason on the basis of a personality and knowing that a president would boast about having knowledge of such trivial classified information - in comparison to the existence of non-human spacecraft; makes me believe that if he was briefed on it he likely would have boasted about it. (and so would I, just imagine what earth shaking news that is.)

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Post by gregw134 »

marcosdumay wrote: post #159
gregw134 wrote: post #109

These "UFOs" are in my opinion probably new type of drone. Video of "UFO" over Poland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WZN0T_54xY Pentagon video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6Wmap12xm0 Picture of crashed orb in Mexico: https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvmm7a/mysterious-metallic-o... My theory is that these spheres are spinning and move using the Magnus effect (the effect that causes a spinning soccer ball to cur…

You can't move a sphere around by spinning it. You can only change your direction. Spinning around, moving uncontrollably inside a storm, with very variable speed are exactly things that lost balloons do.

There are whole ships powered by the magnus effect:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotor_ship

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Post by ElevenLathe »

nickelcitymario wrote: post #121

While I understand and appreciate the aspects of the bill that offers protection for whistleblowers, I don't understand cutting all funding for reversing such technology. If it exists, don't we want to understand it ASAP? Regardless of whether it's alien in origin or not, why in the world wouldn't we want to study potentially advanced technology?

We want the shiny tech, but if the studying shiny tech is a way to step around appropriations, then there are very powerful people who will want to stop that (Congress), since it threatens the very thing that makes them powerful. Sounds to be more about DC power politics than alien technology.
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