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Post by esafak »

nik736 wrote: post #310
gizmo wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Platform companies can't scale by just getting more of the type of customers they already have. They scale by getting bigger and more demanding customers. Those customers will expect the things AWS and the other big cloud platforms already offer. And then R&D expenses explode. The bigger they get the higher R&D will be. In absolute numbers and relative to revenue. Yes, it's true that if you become as big as AWS then…

Linode "gave up" with a 900M exit? How is that negative.

That's not even a billion dollars! If you round down, it's zero billion!

Re: We raised a bunch of money

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Post by robertlagrant »

EGreg wrote: post #157
robertlagrant wrote: post #134

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It just all seems irrelevant to fly.io. I can host stuff on there for money, which is all I want from a service provider. Electricity and storage and network and compute and infrastructure engineers cost money, and I'm happy to give them money. How does web3 get these things paid for?

It’s not irrelevant to the parent and grandparent comment, which (having experienced the recent buyouts at Reddit and others) are rightly wary of a similar outcome, and regard the mere fact of being funded by VCs as a ticking time bomb. So what is the alternative? Don’t build your app on someone else’s platform. Whether it’s Twitter and Periscope, or Apple vs mamy developers ( https://www.washingtonpost.com/technolog…

I'm only talking about the parent comment in my reply.

But okay, I'll bite. How is fly.io not the Web?

Re: We raised a bunch of money

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Post by SantaCruz11 »

styren wrote: post #83

I'm really struggling to understand fly.io's path to profitability considering the relatively low margins for SMB/hobby clouds. They could have the whole world on their free tier but what happens when it's time for EQT to cash out? Can they build enough features to make fly.io a serious option for companies? I just can't see myself using it or pushing for it at any of the companies I've worked for unless it's a <5 pe…

If this market was profitable, why Salesforce removed free tier Heroku?

Re: We raised a bunch of money

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Post by EGreg »

robertlagrant wrote: post #332
EGreg wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not irrelevant to the parent and grandparent comment, which (having experienced the recent buyouts at Reddit and others) are rightly wary of a similar outcome, and regard the mere fact of being funded by VCs as a ticking time bomb. So what is the alternative? Don’t build your app on someone else’s platform. Whether it’s Twitter and Periscope, or Apple vs mamy developers ( https://www.washingtonpost.com/technolog…

I'm only talking about the parent comment in my reply. But okay, I'll bite. How is fly.io not the Web?

I’m not sure I follow. It seems like a strawman question of some kind.

Well, fly.io is not the Web, but also it’s not the point

The closest I can get to what your questions is to say, it’s under the control of a for-profit company financing itself with shareholders who want to see profits? That’s true of many companies, the sentiment in the GP comments applies to the general pattern of becoming enshittified after a large investment / sale, not specifically fly.io

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Post by ris58h »

duxup wrote: post #228

"We raised a bunch of money" Generally speaking (I'm not a fly.io customer) at this point that phrase WORRIES me as a customer of any service. It makes me think that the company exists just on a constant flow of VC or similar money and what I'm using or paying for isn't a realistic or future cost and I'm involved with a system or platform that is getting stretched larger and larger regardless of income and the more m…

Yeah, my FOSS web-app that used a free plan was shutdown by Heroku a week ago. Never again.

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Post by duxup »

grog454 wrote: post #323
duxup wrote: post #228

"We raised a bunch of money" Generally speaking (I'm not a fly.io customer) at this point that phrase WORRIES me as a customer of any service. It makes me think that the company exists just on a constant flow of VC or similar money and what I'm using or paying for isn't a realistic or future cost and I'm involved with a system or platform that is getting stretched larger and larger regardless of income and the more m…

> Generally speaking (I'm not a fly.io customer) at this point that phrase WORRIES me as a customer of any service. Any time I read an announcement like this I refresh my knowledge of competitors and make a mental note that it might be time to switch soon. > It makes me think that the company exists just on a constant flow of VC or similar money and what I'm using or paying for isn't a realistic or future cost and I'…

For one off transactions I am happy to ride the VC train.

For anything I want to trust or rely on, or it is a nice n trivial task to switch I start to worry.

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Post by doublepg23 »

unshavedyak wrote: post #317
doublepg23 wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I ran fly for a six months and it went from free to $10/mo and I still don’t know why. I’d say if static pricing is important to you stick with DO.

Some variation is okay, but boy do i need pricing caps. I might give it a try just for security (not managing the OS), but if there's no caps.. oof.

I’m unaware if there’s caps, the pricing just seemed opaque to me due to poor monitoring tools.

Security wise, Ubuntu LTS with unattended upgrades and livepatch is likely better than 99% of public facing servers.

Re: We raised a bunch of money

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Post by esafak »

killthebuddha wrote: post #271

It's always seemed to me that Fly has a really awesome, modern perspective on software engineering and that they'd be a great place to work, but I've also always felt like there's a glaring inconsistency between their marketing and product. What I mean is it seems like their marketing (and docs) are all about how trivial it is to spin up globally distributed app servers but the only customers who would need globally…

It means you can pick them without worrying about whether your startup will have to migrate once it scales.

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Post by aeyes »

donmcronald wrote: post #319
duxup wrote: post #228

"We raised a bunch of money" Generally speaking (I'm not a fly.io customer) at this point that phrase WORRIES me as a customer of any service. It makes me think that the company exists just on a constant flow of VC or similar money and what I'm using or paying for isn't a realistic or future cost and I'm involved with a system or platform that is getting stretched larger and larger regardless of income and the more m…

> It makes me think that the company exists just on a constant flow of VC or similar money and what I'm using or paying for isn't a realistic or future cost and I'm involved with a system or platform that is getting stretched larger and larger regardless of income and the more money they raise the harder the fall will be. This is where I always get burned. As they get larger and larger, and the product gets more comp…

Also the guy who you hired to cut your grass now also lugs around all the tools to take care of your pool, your car and your house. Take all or nothing.
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