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US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by uhtred »

EA-3167 wrote: post #77
MoSattler wrote: post #30

The government has previously used UFOs to divert attention. > Over half of all U.F.O. reports from the late 1950's through the 1960's were accounted for by manned reconnaissance flights'' over the United States, the C.I.A. study says. ''This led the Air Force to make misleading and deceptive statements to the public in order to allay public fears and to protect an extraordinarily sensitive national security project.…

The B-21 is getting close to operational, the NGAD is in development, and god only knows what sort of experimental drone tech is being worked on in the dark. That adds up to a lot of test flights and more, and a lot of reasons to throw out the same old "UFO" chaff to cover it.

I have to say that X-44 does look similar in shape to some of the UFO pictures I've seen. Especially the one where the UFO flies past the plane window.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by nickelcitymario »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #72
dgrin91 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should they also disclose the location of all the nuclear missile silos in the US? I'm generally in agreement with a transparent government, but there must be some limits.

> Should they also disclose the location of all the nuclear missile silos in the US We do [1][2]. Better analogy might be disclosing the present location of all nuclear submarines. [1] https://uploads.fas.org/sites/4/NotebookMap.pdf [2] https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/location/a-u-s-nuclear-wea...

I see your points, but the difference is we know about the existence of the silos and subs. They're protecting information about them, but not trying to mislead us into thinking submarines aren't a thing.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by Gud »

ender341341 wrote: post #110
Gud wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about the other half?

probably a good number of drunks/kooks and then probably a handful of unknown phenomena that would have a reasonable explanation if we had better photos/descriptions. *edit: I don't mean to imply that anyone claiming to have seen something they couldn't identify in the sky is a kook/drunk, I do strongly believe that there are credible observations of unknown flying objects, just that they are unlikely to be alien in…

What about the countless credible eye witnesses? Not everyone who claims they have witnessed a UFO is a kook...

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by subsubzero »

taraharris wrote: post #37

If they're lying, they have a moral obligation to declassify everything they know. If they're telling the truth, they have a moral obligation to declassify everything they know. Official secrecy is fundamentally incompatible with the needs of an informed public capable of voting intelligently within a democratic republic.

But.. The US Govt. has zero reasons to acknowledge existence of a non-human superior technology spacecraft. It would undermine their position as world super power and destabilize trust and security in the country and could lead to mass instability and a slow down of technological progress.

And if they are running a massive psyops deception campaign it would make the public lose the last vestige of trust left in the govt. Its a lose lose situation on both scenarios and I expect the US govt. to keep things of this nature locked down to a extreme state as it has been doing since WW2.

Also interesting note, the flood of credible pentagon UFO info is being brought up by a bunch of individuals who worked in(or currently for) the US intelligence community. This is 2017 and after when the NYtimes(Leslie Kean reporter) released the bombshell pentagon UFO tapes. These individuals are: Christoper Mellon(ex high ranking intelligence director), Luis Elizondo(Intelligence officer on and off), and currently David Grusch NGA, & NRO - the person who states that non human craft have been retrieved(OP article).

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by mustacheemperor »

taraharris wrote: post #37

If they're lying, they have a moral obligation to declassify everything they know. If they're telling the truth, they have a moral obligation to declassify everything they know. Official secrecy is fundamentally incompatible with the needs of an informed public capable of voting intelligently within a democratic republic.

And, regardless, these need to be included as an enemy and plot point in the next major installment of Call of Duty.

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Post by dvh »

gregw134 wrote: post #109

These "UFOs" are in my opinion probably new type of drone. Video of "UFO" over Poland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WZN0T_54xY Pentagon video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6Wmap12xm0 Picture of crashed orb in Mexico: https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvmm7a/mysterious-metallic-o... My theory is that these spheres are spinning and move using the Magnus effect (the effect that causes a spinning soccer ball to cur…

I have counter theory. It's a balloon.

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Post by jeremyjh »

brookst wrote: post #56
wcarss wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's the story here -- congress is trying to fix some serious corruption. Replace UFOs with magic beans and it sounds like some folks in government seem to have been swindled into diverting money through multiple paths into "classified work" chasing after Jack and a giant stalk. That sounds like a potentially fantastic grift for whoever is running it. This is why the bill says: no more money for anything re…

This would be a stronger theory if the UFO triggers in congress weren’t also the most credulous / disingenuous believers in numerous other conspiracy theories, and only slightly further behind in their advocacy for corruption. Maybe there is fraud and the wrong people are getting rich from it?

These people are at odds with the military industrial complex.

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Post by vdqtp3 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #93
kasey_junk wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not secrecy that has prevented proliferation, it’s carrots and sticks that has. Treaties, sanctions etc. Not to mention the cost of a nuclear program.

> It’s not secrecy that has prevented proliferation, it’s carrots and sticks that has. Secrecy increases the cost, so it is, in effect, part of the “stick” end of the carrots and sticks. If there hadn’t been secrecy, would the return to sanity that stopped the South American nuclear arms race been too late? Secrecy should not be dismissed.

There is essentially no secrecy. Research the Nth Country Experiment

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by gregw134 »

dvh wrote: post #116
gregw134 wrote: post #109

These "UFOs" are in my opinion probably new type of drone. Video of "UFO" over Poland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WZN0T_54xY Pentagon video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6Wmap12xm0 Picture of crashed orb in Mexico: https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvmm7a/mysterious-metallic-o... My theory is that these spheres are spinning and move using the Magnus effect (the effect that causes a spinning soccer ball to cur…

I have counter theory. It's a balloon.

The videos show the spheres moving quickly, often back and forth. Pilots have reported spheres hovering stationary over a spot during hurricane level winds. From all the reports it sounds like there is some kind of propulsion mechanism.

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Post by hnboredhn »

tedunangst wrote: post #2

I don't need to believe in UFOs to believe the government would spend tons of money trying to retrieve one.

I am surprised by how little takes on this seem to address the fact this is likely to be bureaucratic. There are many people or departments who would benefit from increased fundings in these areas.

Not seven saying its overt corruption. But if you work for the military in collecting sightings on unidentified objects and earnestly dont know what 10% of the sightings actually were, it behooves you to fan the rumors on it a bit.

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