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Re: We raised a bunch of money

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People forget AWS is 20 years old. When I routinely remind people of that fact they often remark (incredulously) with "WHAT? Really?" When I think about it the entire paradigm of "regions" itself seems completely antiquated in the grand scheme of things. AWS has made a few moves on this but in the end you're largely still tied to this fundamental regional concept in terms of control planes, etc and you incur the ridi…

Stateless compute is relatively simple to be region-less, but even fly’s homepage has a map of regions. When state is introduced, then CAP/PACELC distributed systems issues arise, and figuring out approaches to deal with them are a must. Read fly’s Postgres docs, and regions come right back in.

> When state is introduced

Only the most trivial business systems can operate without any state.

If your application has any sort of shared, mutable state, you absolutely need to pick a region, or go really deep into the EC/consensus/clustering rabbit hole. With a dedicated region with 1 big DB, you can achieve latency figures (over the shared state) that would be infeasible with other schemes. Serializing transactions in a distributed manner is a circus compared to what Postgres has to do to achieve the same.

For better or worse, sticking a big SQL database in exactly one region will almost always be the best path for most forms of business. If latency/edge are still a concern at this point, that's when we maybe start talking about more specific geographies and standing up read replicas in those regions. In my experience, if you are peddling B2B webapps, no one will ever complain about east vs west coast latency unless you actually screwed something up in code.

Re: We raised a bunch of money

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post #32

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Unfortunately for fly, us-east-1 has better reliability then their product.

We're not. For a company of our age and scale? To claim competitive reliability to the world's most important data center? Risible. We're making fun of the fact that everybody deploys their apps in a random city in Virginia with like 3 restaurants in it. We're not saying they're dumb to do it, or that Ashburn isn't up to the challenge --- it self-evidently is. (The comment I'm responding to said something about peopl…

Ashburn does not have "like three restaurants". The datacenter zoned part of the city has "like three restaurants". If you ever drove >5 minutes from those large shed warehouses, you'd know what you're talking about.

Re: We raised a bunch of money

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post #184

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All commenting is attention seeking, my question was: why do it antagonistically like this? And further, why go on a (holy) mission to convince people funding companies is bad? That's a weird windmill to tilt at...

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How does the thing that enables society also destroy it?

Re: We raised a bunch of money

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“ The result of this is an Internet where all of the world's CRUD apps are hosted in Loudoun County, VA (motto: "where tradition meets innovation"), at Amazon's us-east-1 in Ashburn, a city with so many Rails apps that one of them was elected to the county Board of Supervisors.” So true it hurts

People forget AWS is 20 years old. When I routinely remind people of that fact they often remark (incredulously) with "WHAT? Really?" When I think about it the entire paradigm of "regions" itself seems completely antiquated in the grand scheme of things. AWS has made a few moves on this but in the end you're largely still tied to this fundamental regional concept in terms of control planes, etc and you incur the ridi…

Regions also important for more regulated geographies

Re: We raised a bunch of money

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Self-aware commentary like this only works if used sparingly, but this one is extremely effective - acknowledges the mercenary motivations, implicit hypocrisy, and self-aggrandization of such announcements while nonetheless communicating all the important information and succinctly breaking down a real problem that their platform solves. On top of that, the legitimate uses of funding are clearly identified, answering…

I loved it. They stayed as far away as possible for your traditional grandiose, jargon-filled, corporate speak we normally get in these announcenments. They definitely gained a few points with me :).

Re: We raised a bunch of money

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post #223

https://fly.io/docs/postgres/getting-started/what-you-should... > If you want a fully managed database solution for your Fly Apps, there are many great options, including: Fly looks great, but you definitely need to get on this. a company that just raised 100m shouldn't be recommending it's direct competitors.

It will take them months to build something competing. Should they tell everyone to bot fly because they don‘t have their own database solution yet?

Re: We raised a bunch of money

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People forget AWS is 20 years old. When I routinely remind people of that fact they often remark (incredulously) with "WHAT? Really?" When I think about it the entire paradigm of "regions" itself seems completely antiquated in the grand scheme of things. AWS has made a few moves on this but in the end you're largely still tied to this fundamental regional concept in terms of control planes, etc and you incur the ridi…

Stateless compute is relatively simple to be region-less, but even fly’s homepage has a map of regions. When state is introduced, then CAP/PACELC distributed systems issues arise, and figuring out approaches to deal with them are a must. Read fly’s Postgres docs, and regions come right back in.

This is Fly - a much earlier stage company and them receiving early funding is the genesis of this entire discussion.

I point to Cloudflare (what I'm most familiar with). Across their entire stack of compute, storage, db, etc product lines you won't see a hint of region anywhere. It just works, everywhere. Same with Fastly/Oracle (although they like Fly are quite a ways behind Cloudflare).

I suspect (hope) that as Fly matures their apparent true goal of edge and region-less applications will mature more. Their compromises on region awareness for DB has always struck me as a more of a resource restraint compromise on their part than end goal. As you say these challenges are hard (expensive).

Re: We raised a bunch of money

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post #99

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Honest question: why are you on a site whose community is literally created and run by a startup accelerator? It's a given you realize how antagonistic you're being here, so I guess my only other question is why seek attention like this?

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But that's a fundamentally different view than "All VC funding is bad"; there are tons of risks involved and many actors aren't good in every industry, why specifically does venture capital draw your ire?

Re: We raised a bunch of money

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Will you be publishing a follow up blog post about how you’re increasing API user fees once you’ve monopolized your particular market? Or how about how you’ll be increasing margins for investors in 5 years as you prepare for your IPO? Why won’t you suffer the fate of every single other tech company that raises a shit load of money which is completely and irrevocably selling out any pretense of being beneficial for cu…

I don't think they they'll need to increase, fly.io is already rather expensive as far as cloud offerings go today: shared 8 vCPU / 16GB VPS is $85/mo at fly, Hetzner is $16/mo for the same.

Is fly vs Hetzner really apples to apples though? A more apt comparison would be to AWS, GCP, and Azure no?

Re: We raised a bunch of money

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post #138

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If your customers are really SMBs it’d make sense to partner with low-code/no-code platforms. Those things are so slow (for reasons which escape my small brain).

Probably because they build their margins by overcharging to run the resulting apps on oversubscribed AWS instances.

Its tough when revenues are costs are mismatched.
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