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US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by dragonwriter »

nimbius wrote: post #51

So to temper expectations, the article only cites Republican Marco Rubio has having any real inquisitive drive to unearth clandestine UFO knowledge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_strategy Chances are excellent Rubio might be doing this to try and draw attention away from several state supreme court rulings striking down bans on transgender care and drag shows incepted and championed by republicans. If not th…

> Chances are excellent Rubio might be doing this to try and draw attention away from several state supreme court rulings striking down bans on transgender care and drag shows incepted and championed by republicans.

Mostly, those have been federal trial courts (and some, like the Florida drag ban one, also preliminary injunctions preventing enforcement while the case proceeds, not final rulings striking them down) not state supreme courts issuing the rulings.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by SheinhardtWigCo »

wcarss wrote: post #44
tedunangst wrote: post #2

I don't need to believe in UFOs to believe the government would spend tons of money trying to retrieve one.

I think that's the story here -- congress is trying to fix some serious corruption. Replace UFOs with magic beans and it sounds like some folks in government seem to have been swindled into diverting money through multiple paths into "classified work" chasing after Jack and a giant stalk. That sounds like a potentially fantastic grift for whoever is running it. This is why the bill says: no more money for anything re…

If that were the case, wouldn't the "Sense of Congress" be that UAP programs are hiding corruption and fraud, rather than "to integrate any recovered exotic technology into the nation’s broader industrial base"?

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by haswell »

I’m not saying that I buy into these narratives, but in the interest of curiosity and for sake of argument…

Let’s say that there are real ET craft, and let’s say that the US government has indeed been retrieving and studying them for decades.

If such analysis unlocks technology breakthroughs of the kind that would solve say, energy problems, the government now has the problem of sitting on secrets that it has no legal pathway to introduce to the public, and no way to explain without somehow coming clean.

If any of this is real, the kind of legislation described in the article seems like one of the few ways they can start to introduce this information to the public. This makes it sound like they know what this is and they need to establish the channels and narratives to discuss it publicly (even if “this” is all a cover for misuse of funds that has nothing to do with ET craft).

Everyone is focused on “what is this distracting us from?”, and maybe that’s all that this is, but even if this is misdirection, there’s something going on that’s making elected officials and reputable military types speak publicly about UAPs.

That by itself is a pretty interesting signal if nothing else.

It could also all be bullshit, and either way, I’m pretty curious to see where this goes.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

himinlomax wrote: post #26
stuckinhell wrote: post #21

I believe in aliens/ufos/"something else out there" thanks to Graham Hancock's interesting book Visionary. Do I trust the government to tell me the truth about them at a time where institutional trust is at all time low? No freaking way.

Hancock is clearly a kook.

I'm surprised you're getting down-voted for this. His history of making wild claims and then accusing the archeology community of being against him speaks for itself.

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Post by adamsmith143 »

shiftpgdn wrote: post #22
bbor wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What scandal are you referring to…?

The president's son allegedly committed quite a few crimes, including offering access to his father (The US President) for money. He has been charged for some of these crimes recently.

You mean the previous Prez's son in law who somehow got a Multibillion dollar investment from the Saudi's while he ostensibly worked directly in the white house? Yeah that should be investigated for sure.

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Post by saalweachter »

waihtis wrote: post #17
conception wrote: post #8

There sure is a lot of UFO talk around the same time audio of a former president laughing about all the treason he’s committing. Probably just a coincidence.

As a non-American, let me ask you if you really think all the other high level American politicians are clean? If not, would you be better positioned to scrutinize the current political system as inherently flawed instead of barking at current political candidate X or Y?

You've got to act like most politicians are clean and investigate and prosecute the ones who reveal themselves otherwise, regardless of what the ground truth is.

The "all politicians are crooks" line of thinking just gives the crooks a free pass while making it more difficult for whatever actors are trying to hold them accountable, whether for virtue's sake or for base political gain. Occasionally punishing a crook -- even if it is only a fraction of those deserving of punishment -- will make a few politicians of the next generation act a little less boldly, while shrugging your shoulders and saying "everyone does it" will make them ask what else they can get away with.

Cynicism, even cynicism grounded in realism, doesn't make the world a better place.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by dgrin91 »

taraharris wrote: post #37

If they're lying, they have a moral obligation to declassify everything they know. If they're telling the truth, they have a moral obligation to declassify everything they know. Official secrecy is fundamentally incompatible with the needs of an informed public capable of voting intelligently within a democratic republic.

Should they also disclose the location of all the nuclear missile silos in the US?

I'm generally in agreement with a transparent government, but there must be some limits.

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Post by jwestbury »

Stranger43 wrote: post #27

I am wondering how much of this is fueled by the change in the word alien from simply meaning foreign to meaning extraterrestrial and people misreading the former for the latter. The research into foreign weapon technology is in one of those gray areas where not only does some of those activities border really close to industrial espionage against companies in potentially allied countries, or might contradict stated…

"Foreign" is quite common in intelligence contexts, though, and "alien" is not.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by himinlomax »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #64
himinlomax wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hancock is clearly a kook.

I'm surprised you're getting down-voted for this. His history of making wild claims and then accusing the archeology community of being against him speaks for itself.

Some people just want to believe.

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Post by optimalsolver »

waihtis wrote: post #25
DrThunder wrote: post #9

If you believe the government is capable of covering this up for decades then you must also believe they're just as capable of lying about UFO's existing for some other reason. I heard some guy saying they were actually demons, which I found quite funny/entertaining. Supposedly these aliens smell like sulfur badly. Maybe aliens/demons are the same thing? I guess we're gonna need the Doom Slayer.

Religion was born based on primitive humans observing aliens, which were interpreted as "angels" and "demons". It's as good of an explanation as any. Either way, we will need to make great technological leaps to develop proper demonslaying equipment.

I too am a fan of the Stargate franchise.
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