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US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by eganist »

taraharris wrote: post #37

If they're lying, they have a moral obligation to declassify everything they know. If they're telling the truth, they have a moral obligation to declassify everything they know. Official secrecy is fundamentally incompatible with the needs of an informed public capable of voting intelligently within a democratic republic.

So are hostile countries using declassified nuclear blueprints to bomb our homeland. Alas, if you want the democratic experiment to succeed, you need to account for those who stand to lose everything from your success.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by adamsmith143 »

slashdev wrote: post #32
DrThunder wrote: post #9

If you believe the government is capable of covering this up for decades then you must also believe they're just as capable of lying about UFO's existing for some other reason. I heard some guy saying they were actually demons, which I found quite funny/entertaining. Supposedly these aliens smell like sulfur badly. Maybe aliens/demons are the same thing? I guess we're gonna need the Doom Slayer.

Honestly I don’t think the government is sufficiently competent to cover up something as big as intelligent aliens arriving on earth. That’s the most exciting news ever. There’s just no way in my mind they could keep that quiet successfully.

Right they simultaneously believe the government is so incompetent they can't implement national healthcare that every other major nation on earth has figured out but are so competent they can get thousands of people to keep the most impactful secret in the history of mankind.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by deelowe »

DrThunder wrote: post #9

If you believe the government is capable of covering this up for decades then you must also believe they're just as capable of lying about UFO's existing for some other reason. I heard some guy saying they were actually demons, which I found quite funny/entertaining. Supposedly these aliens smell like sulfur badly. Maybe aliens/demons are the same thing? I guess we're gonna need the Doom Slayer.

I don't think they are capable of covering up the existence of other worldly craft visiting our planet. I DO think they are capable of covering up a program that was a huge money pit and didn't really produce anything of substance for years on end.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by wcarss »

tedunangst wrote: post #2

I don't need to believe in UFOs to believe the government would spend tons of money trying to retrieve one.

I think that's the story here -- congress is trying to fix some serious corruption.

Replace UFOs with magic beans and it sounds like some folks in government seem to have been swindled into diverting money through multiple paths into "classified work" chasing after Jack and a giant stalk. That sounds like a potentially fantastic grift for whoever is running it.

This is why the bill says: no more money for anything related to these crazy beans, and anyone who is employed looking for them is freed from any bonds of secrecy to come tell us what's been being done.

Of course there's a tiny tiny possibility someone comes back with a giant's ring, so they include that you've got to show everything you actually found, but that provision also will make it clear later that despite a lot of money, no one has actually found anything meaningful, and thus the whole thing was a fraud.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by bbor »

conception wrote: post #8

There sure is a lot of UFO talk around the same time audio of a former president laughing about all the treason he’s committing. Probably just a coincidence.

It is. This article is about A) “ Senate Intelligence Committee’s [draft] legislation”, which is a democrat-run process that surely started before last weekend, and B) Marco Rubio describing facts everyone already knew, which idk seems like normal congress stuff.

I think you’re in a conspiratorial mood, haha. Ironic that your conspiracy is against the existence of UFOs!

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by trdtaylor1 »

eganist wrote: post #15
pixel3234 wrote: post #12

Anything to distract public from important things! Last week it was sub, now UFO. Did anyone even noticed Watergate^2?

> Watergate^2 Oceangate? Yeah it was front page for a week.

No, the original poster is referencing, rightly or wrongly, the Hunter Biden receiving millions without seemingly performing work for a foreign national individual, then threatening the individual with retribution from both him and (potentially) his dad sitting next to him.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by aceazzameen »

slashdev wrote: post #32
DrThunder wrote: post #9

If you believe the government is capable of covering this up for decades then you must also believe they're just as capable of lying about UFO's existing for some other reason. I heard some guy saying they were actually demons, which I found quite funny/entertaining. Supposedly these aliens smell like sulfur badly. Maybe aliens/demons are the same thing? I guess we're gonna need the Doom Slayer.

Honestly I don’t think the government is sufficiently competent to cover up something as big as intelligent aliens arriving on earth. That’s the most exciting news ever. There’s just no way in my mind they could keep that quiet successfully.

But what if all aliens are body snatchers? And the first people to use as hosts are our leaders? Conspiracy theorists can finish the rest of the story. Their fictions always have the right answers without the proof.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by taraharris »

eganist wrote: post #41
taraharris wrote: post #37

If they're lying, they have a moral obligation to declassify everything they know. If they're telling the truth, they have a moral obligation to declassify everything they know. Official secrecy is fundamentally incompatible with the needs of an informed public capable of voting intelligently within a democratic republic.

So are hostile countries using declassified nuclear blueprints to bomb our homeland. Alas, if you want the democratic experiment to succeed, you need to account for those who stand to lose everything from your success.

Official secrecy clearly failed to stop the very scenario you're talking about!

We have had nuclear secrecy for nearly 80 years. In that time, nuclear weapons have proliferated to nine countries. North Korea has them, for God's sake.

Nuclear weapons are simply a function of having a large enough industrial base to support their development. The "secret sauce" is officially secret, but it isn't actually secret.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by Stranger43 »

Simulacra wrote: post #6

What I find most fascinating about aliens and UFOs is that they always seem to be heading for America. If a UFO arrived from another galaxy it might choose any place to land, but talk is always America-centric. Do other countries feel so UFO special?

When it comes to "strange lights in the sky" there is a fairly uniform body of observation around the world with some(typically dry or mountainous) regions being hotpots so there is definitely things happening in the skies we don't fully understand but that's not the same as extraterrestrial spaceships and could easily be unusual "weather patterns", or some other natural phenomena.

Where the us is alone however is in the reports of sightings/abductions of entities exiting those craft but then again most of those stories tend to either be "retrieved memories", straight up hoaxes or so vague in details that other explanations cannot be ruled out.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by bbor »

nwienert wrote: post #39
slashdev wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I don’t think the government is sufficiently competent to cover up something as big as intelligent aliens arriving on earth. That’s the most exciting news ever. There’s just no way in my mind they could keep that quiet successfully.

Aliens that are alternate dimensional / advanced technologically could control the release of their existence through various means, while still having some incentive to reveal themselves in stages that seem plausible to us. Imagining them only as meat-sacks-from-another-rock is lacking imagination.

And you might be the only truly conscious mind in a vast alien simulation. I don’t think just because something is possible it becomes worth considering - given our epistemological failings and the impossibility of induction, basically anything is possible…

In other words: I find the idea that aliens might be mind-controlling the US congress to slowly reveal their presence for the first time ever seems ridiculous. Personally :)

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