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Re: Plastics are poisoning us

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Post by foo-bar-bat »

c00lio wrote: post #116
stef25 wrote: post #93

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At my parents' house rain water was collected in a well and that was used for things like flushing toilets and watering plants. This was already in place 30+ years ago mainly cause it's "free water" (apart from the cost of building the well and the pump)

Over here, your water bill has 2 components, the price of the fresh water and the price of the waste water. Waste water is at least as expensive per m³ as fresh water, sometimes more than double. If you are using rain water, you save on the fresh water price, but you have to still pay for the waste water. And since waste water price is calculated from your fresh water consumption, you either have to have a second met…

Where is here?

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Post by iso1631 »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #148
pvaldes wrote: post #79

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8 -> copper is toxic. People with some genetic traits will suffer cirrhosis and shouldn't use it for water storage. Cooking on copper pots specially should be avoided. Iron and Aluminum are safer.

Or just use glass... completely non reactive, fully recyclable. The perfect container.

If I drop my plastic water bottle I pick it up and carry on. If I drop my glass bottle...

Re: Plastics are poisoning us

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Post by maccard »

XorNot wrote: post #153
maccard wrote: post #60

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> But most plastic is organic compounds since it comes from oil. It being an organic compound doesn't mean it's safe or something we should ignore. Asbestos is an organic compound with wildly useful properties. > Additionally, I think there's too much of an aversion to burning it. At home, its a terrible idea - it's super duper toxic a d leave a horrific nasty waste to dispose of. In a commercial setting maybe, but I…

Asbestos is not an organic compound, asbestos is a silicate mineral fiber. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos

Apologies, I misspoke, you're right. My google-fu this morning was weak and I didn't fact check. That said, here [0] is a list of different dangerous organic compounds - Asbestos was a (poor) example.

[0] https://defineinstruments.com/blog/epas-list-of-volatile-org...

Re: Plastics are poisoning us

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Post by taneq »

Retric wrote: post #143
hospitalJail wrote: post #133

The word 'Plastic' needs to die. Instead we should be more specific on the type of plastic. Teflon, PLA, ABS, resins, foams, etc... are all plastics, but they are so unrelated outside their long chains, its terrible to stereotype them all into one category. You aren't going to get cancer from PLA or Teflon, but rather the manufacturing process. You can eat these plastics as far as I know and you'd be fine. Eat someth…

Teflon Aka Polytetrafluoroethylene cookware represents a health hazard. The stuff contains a great deal of Florine and breaks down at 300C, but that’s not purely binary instead it becomes increasingly unstable as your approach the temperature. Further no manufacturing process is perfect, I wouldn’t therefore assume eating significant quantities would be safe. That said, it’s generally used as a coating rather than a…

Does it contain Fluorine (a dangerous halogen gas) or does it contain Fluoride (the ion of that gas, commonly added to toothpaste and drinking water).

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Post by c00lio »

foo-bar-bat wrote: post #171
c00lio wrote: post #116

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Over here, your water bill has 2 components, the price of the fresh water and the price of the waste water. Waste water is at least as expensive per m³ as fresh water, sometimes more than double. If you are using rain water, you save on the fresh water price, but you have to still pay for the waste water. And since waste water price is calculated from your fresh water consumption, you either have to have a second met…

Where is here?

Germany

Re: Plastics are poisoning us

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Post by foo-bar-bat »

acumenical wrote: post #158
realshadow wrote: post #11

I became a minimist to save the planet as much as i could. Its easier than any one could think you know. Here is what i have been doing for a decade and would receommend 1. Reusing plastic bags (i love cotton bags but not ideal). Fold and keep one or two in your pocket before you leave home 2. Support and use light software so you dont need to upgrade your gadgets (12y laptop i use) 3. Prepare and eat home cooked mea…

I was with you until the whole sleep away the day bit, then you lost me. It sounds more like a cover for depression or learned helplessness than a desire to do good. If that's how you see things then I question the rest of it.

Sorry, who suggested sleeping the day away? The suggestion above was sleep 8 hours, ie per night, not 8 extra hours during the day.

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Post by iso1631 »

realshadow wrote: post #62
perlgeek wrote: post #21

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I'm curious, where do you plan trees? Do you have land on your own, or is there some public land where you can plant trees?

I have a garden where i spend an hour or two watering plants and feeding birds. thats one hour away from screens.

You'd have a job on planting one tree a month in an average garden

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Post by c00lio »

_dain_ wrote: post #163
c00lio wrote: post #106

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11. No pets. Your pet is more harmful to the environment than your car. 12. Less or no children. All of the above, combined.

The whole point of saving the environment was to leave a better world for our children and grandchildren. Someone has to show up after us.

Yes, but for mankind to continue, there has to be less of mankind.

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Post by middle_earth »

realshadow wrote: post #11

I became a minimist to save the planet as much as i could. Its easier than any one could think you know. Here is what i have been doing for a decade and would receommend 1. Reusing plastic bags (i love cotton bags but not ideal). Fold and keep one or two in your pocket before you leave home 2. Support and use light software so you dont need to upgrade your gadgets (12y laptop i use) 3. Prepare and eat home cooked mea…

What I have been wondering is, as an one mere person, trying my best to save the planet is really helping the earth while the industry is ruining the earth by tremendous impact? I mean, I am doing my best what I can to save the planet but sometimes I felt it is a droplet into the ocean so I want to find some logical reasons why I keep doing that.

Re: Plastics are poisoning us

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Post by cynicalsecurity »

myshpa wrote: post #118
aziaziazi wrote: post #113

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Thanks for the courage to express 12. Absolute anthropocentrism can’t continue indefinitely and we already see boomerang effects.

The population growth trend is already declining in many (western) countries and is projected to go down in a few decades max everywhere. Best contraceptive is education, prosperity and urbanization. IMHO the best way to limit our negative impacts is - stop exploiting other countries (there are almost no poor countries, only overexploited ones) - urbanization ( https://i.redd.it/fl28yusb1r5b1.jpg ) - abandoning fossi…

Good luck trying to convince Russia or China to stop exploiting other countries, abandon fossil fuels or stop animal agriculture.

Here is the unsolvable problem of the climate activism. They can't save the climate, but they are capable of destroying their own homeland, playing right into the hands of those authoritarian monsters.

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