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South Korea adopts new law to join the international standard of age counting

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Re: South Korea adopts new law to join the international standard of age counting

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post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US being an exception that failed or successfully resisted switching is a false premise in the first place, based on obscure and pedantic definitions of metric acceptance. I disagree it is a false premise. If you look at major economies – other than the US and UK – >80%, >90% of units encountered in everyday life are metric. In the US, it is more like the other way around. The UK and the US are both outliers fr…

People say the US, Liberia, and Myanmar are the only countries to reject metric. If this wasn't bullshit, then people would be able to spontaneously state the criterion that produced this specific list. I mean, the criterion exists , and therefore the list is technically correct, but nobody researches it before repeating the meme, and it's not at all obvious without research. If the reasoning doesn't come to you natu…

> If this wasn't bullshit, then people would be able to spontaneously state the criterion that produced this specific list.

Let's forget about Liberia and Myanmar and just focus on major economies. People can argue about the definition of "major", but for the purposes of this discussion, let's define it as G20 members.

In how many G20 members does the average person make significant, regular use of non-metric measurements in their daily life? To the best of my knowledge, the answer is "only two" (US and UK), and for the US that usage is significantly more than the UK. So, there is a very real sense in which the US (and to a lesser extent the UK) are outliers on adoption of the metric system in everyday life. That's not "bullshit".

> >The US is an exception in having an education system which still teaches non-metric measurements.

> This is too vague to even determine if true.

I have lived my whole life in Australia. Here, non-metric measurements are not part of the government-mandated curriculum. That was true when I was a child and is true for my own children who are at school today. Schools and teachers are free to teach whatever they want (within reason), but if it isn't part of the official curriculum, there is no incentive for them to spend any significant time on it, so the vast majority won't. Most school children have heard of inches/miles/etc, but for most of them their understanding of it is limited to "outdated stuff we don't use any more but Americans still do"

Most countries worldwide are closer to Australia on this than to the US. I mean, how much time do schools in France or Germany or Japan spend on teaching how many ounces in a pound or how many yards in a mile? How many countries – other than the US – have learning details of how to use non-metric measurements in their standard school curriculum?

Re: South Korea adopts new law to join the international standard of age counting

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post #9

Ah standards. Taking all the fun out of international travel confusion. Now if we could only get the US onto the metric system and abolish daylight saving time.

The US heavily uses metric, just like other nations also use English while having a different primary language. The US leads the world in technological and scientific output and has for over a century, it very obviously and very commonly uses the metric system. Communication is more important than measurement. Nearly everybody else needs to abandon their languages and adopt English, Spanish or Mandarin - because stan…

I liked that Estonia said "f*ck it, English is now the official second language."

Meanwhile, in Switzerland, Zürich is contemplating making school children study English before French/Italian. That's great, except Switzerland is already quad-lingual, depending on canton. Making it more difficult for a german-speaking person in Zürich to go to Geneva probably won't be great for unity. Instead of all cantons adopting one of the existing four as the universal language, they are now trying for English, it seems.

(As an immigrant observer.)

Re: South Korea adopts new law to join the international standard of age counting

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post #29

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So, the first century in the Current Era would be 99 years? There's no year 0. A century is any quantity of 100, go crazier: 1946 to 2045!!!

We can include a year called 0 in the first century, no problem. All we have to do to get a year 0 is decide that there was one.

> All we have to do to get a year 0 is decide that there was one.

But it’s not one, it’s 0

Re: South Korea adopts new law to join the international standard of age counting

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post #36

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Alternative take: the US customary units have stuck around because SI has failed to present itself as better enough to switch. Grant that all base units are arbitrary[1], many of the customary units make easier logical sense in day-to-day life, or are designed to be divisible in easier units than SI units are designed to be. Do you want ⅓ of a foot? Well, that's 4 inches (12 inches in a foot, divide by 3, you get 4).…

The real problem here is the decimal number system. We should have switched to dozenal before creating the metric system. Instead of counting fingers, we should be counting phalanges.

I wonder does the metric system prevent use of dozenal. Just redefine kilo etc. like we do with bits and bytes.

We would lose consistency between new and old MW for example or milligram and millilitre. But shouldn't it otherwise be fully consistent?

Re: South Korea adopts new law to join the international standard of age counting

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternative take: the US customary units have stuck around because SI has failed to present itself as better enough to switch. Grant that all base units are arbitrary[1], many of the customary units make easier logical sense in day-to-day life, or are designed to be divisible in easier units than SI units are designed to be. Do you want ⅓ of a foot? Well, that's 4 inches (12 inches in a foot, divide by 3, you get 4).…

Yes, even the SI base units. Shhh! Don't let them know that SI's base ten counting isn't some kind of scientific absolute and is just as arbitrary as inches and feet, and if humans had 11 fingers, SI would be different.

Funny thing is that I think SI would work as well in any other counting. The prefixes are just handy way to handle large and small numbers in certain range.

Re: South Korea adopts new law to join the international standard of age counting

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post #9

Ah standards. Taking all the fun out of international travel confusion. Now if we could only get the US onto the metric system and abolish daylight saving time.

> abolish daylight saving time I wish we'd standardize the world over on DST. I prefer having an extra hour of sunshine in the evening than the morning. Permanent DST year round!

Just get rid of it and mandate work/school starts hour earlier...
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