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Plastics are poisoning us

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Re: Plastics are poisoning us

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I became a minimist to save the planet as much as i could. Its easier than any one could think you know. Here is what i have been doing for a decade and would receommend 1. Reusing plastic bags (i love cotton bags but not ideal). Fold and keep one or two in your pocket before you leave home 2. Support and use light software so you dont need to upgrade your gadgets (12y laptop i use) 3. Prepare and eat home cooked mea…

"9. fuck sugary drinks."

Especially when they come in plastic bottles and not glass ones.

Re: Plastics are poisoning us

#82

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> 8. Carry a water bottle (copper ideal). Why is copper better than stainless steel?

Copper is known to help kill more bacteria and thus helps additionally purify the water (1) 1: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3067274/

Everybody uses glass for water even if it does not kill bacteria. Shouldn't be the main factor to choose one over other. People must filter their drinking water and remove the pathogens before filling their bottle in any case.

If this is not possible, take in mind that your immune system can take care about bacteria. In 99% of the cases after a learning period, local bacteria will stop being a problem. Unless your live in areas with very unsafe water sources or particularly dangerous organisms this shouldn't be a main factor in the choice.

Re: Plastics are poisoning us

#83

I became a minimist to save the planet as much as i could. Its easier than any one could think you know. Here is what i have been doing for a decade and would receommend 1. Reusing plastic bags (i love cotton bags but not ideal). Fold and keep one or two in your pocket before you leave home 2. Support and use light software so you dont need to upgrade your gadgets (12y laptop i use) 3. Prepare and eat home cooked mea…

I cook most of my family's meals at home.

I dont think cooking at home necessarily produces less plastics. Most (in Norway) veggies, meats, some spices, sauces, etc come in plasticcontainers.

This is good since it preserves the produce, so it has a longer shelf life. but the drawback is plastic.

Not being a fan of sugary drinks is fine, but as long as people buy water coffee, etc in pastic it is not a clear win for the environment. It is a win for a persons health.

Re: Plastics are poisoning us

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Australia banned single use plastics ages ago, some states decades ago. At the start you get the complainers telling you that they will just buy new bags every time, but theses days almost everyone brings their bags with them. People just have to be dragged kicking and screaming but they eventually do move.

Oh wow. Okay. This[0] is...exactly the model I gave actually. $6 deposit apparently. Amazing - I'm actually blown away that this is already implemented across a large country. 0: https://concreteplayground.com/sydney/design-style/returnr-a... Edited to remove a second link that I failed to double-check before posting.

Technically not all of Australia has yet banned single use plastics, W.Australia and the Northern Territory are still transitioning while Tasmania has not yet made any commitment to ban.

But that's most of the population doing away with them and most of the population (by my in Australia networked experience) being pretty happy with that.

I'm not aware of any public health campaign either overt or guerilla to convince the public that they're bad healthwise .. your link is to the UK's Daily Mail which is well known for making big drama for click bait and loving to stir up contraversy.

The article linked, reduced to it's core, is reporting on the findings of Associate Professor Dr Mark Green from some years past:

https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/individuals/dr-mark-green

which all looks very sound .. but it hasn't (yet ?) turned into any wide spread official public campaign to warn people away from microwaving food in plastic containers.

The Daily Heil [1] loves to manufacture faux outrage and hysteria.

[1] https://spartacus-educational.com/ExamRHU17.htm

Re: Plastics are poisoning us

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post #79

I became a minimist to save the planet as much as i could. Its easier than any one could think you know. Here is what i have been doing for a decade and would receommend 1. Reusing plastic bags (i love cotton bags but not ideal). Fold and keep one or two in your pocket before you leave home 2. Support and use light software so you dont need to upgrade your gadgets (12y laptop i use) 3. Prepare and eat home cooked mea…

8 -> copper is toxic. People with some genetic traits will suffer cirrhosis and shouldn't use it for water storage. Cooking on copper pots specially should be avoided. Iron and Aluminum are safer.

> suffer cirrhosis

…and neuropsychiatric symptoms. Wilson’s disease is surprisingly common at 1 in 30,000.

Re: Plastics are poisoning us

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post #79

I became a minimist to save the planet as much as i could. Its easier than any one could think you know. Here is what i have been doing for a decade and would receommend 1. Reusing plastic bags (i love cotton bags but not ideal). Fold and keep one or two in your pocket before you leave home 2. Support and use light software so you dont need to upgrade your gadgets (12y laptop i use) 3. Prepare and eat home cooked mea…

8 -> copper is toxic. People with some genetic traits will suffer cirrhosis and shouldn't use it for water storage. Cooking on copper pots specially should be avoided. Iron and Aluminum are safer.

Aluminum is not safer than copper

Re: Plastics are poisoning us

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 8. Carry a water bottle (copper ideal). Why is copper better than stainless steel?

> Is it safe to drink water from copper bottle everyday? > If you have been drinking water that has been constantly stored in copper bottle or vessel, chances are high that you might be at the risk of copper toxicity. It can cause severe nausea, dizziness, abdominal pain and can result in liver and kidney failure. No thank you. I get the struggle to not use plastics, I try to avoid it myself too (especially buying wa…

I stopped using plastic bottle because it tends to accumulate biological matter or whatever, and a smell / bad taste builds up over time. I switched to stainless steel and couldn't be happier. Decathlon stores in europe sell very good stainless steel bottler for different size.

Re: Plastics are poisoning us

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Considering how ubiquitous plastics are, they look rather harmless to me.

We are wasting hundreds of millions of tons per year, we eat it, drink it, we have been doing that for decades and we are still discussing statistical signifiance.

Sure, not completely harmless, but few things are. And considering the tremendous value plastics have brought to society, I'd say the downsides are comparatively small. What worries me more than human poisoning the article is about is the effect of microplastics on marine life, as it is less studied than people and there is some evidence that the physical (more than chemical) properties of plastic particle might be damaging.

It doesn't mean there isn't something to be done. Proper waste management is the obvious one, and I don't mean anything fancy, I mean "do not empty you trash in nature" thing that is unfortunately much too common, especially in developing countries. Properly managed landfills would probably solve 90% of the plastics problems. Reducing disposable plastic is, I think, generally a good thing, but not before making sure the alternative is not worse, and of course making sure that "disposable plastic", is not "throw it in nature plastic". We should also research better plastics: make sure the durable ones are actually durable, and that the disposable ones degrade properly, also consider the petrochemical industry that backs it up and maybe switch to more sustainable sources.

Re: Plastics are poisoning us

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Yes? At this point, it's hopeless - plastics are expanding like never before, Shell expanding several new enormous factories right in the US. No politician is interested in stopping it either, since the lobbying industry for plastics is also going strong. The only legislation passed in modern time is against single-use plastics, which is just a tiny drop in the ocean (!!) of plastic. And also, the clothes industry is…

"In the end, it's up to consumers." No it's not. Please don't spread sinister pro industry falsities like this. Nothing has ever changed because of some symbolic drops in the ocean. Regulation and collective action is the only thing that has ever worked, all personal lifestyle choices are romanticizations about personal effects that the industry loves because it has pushed responsibility to consumers, like much of th…

I point out in my post that it's hopeless, that huge forces are pushing for more plastic. What's left? Only consumers affecting the supply and demand - or tech.

I'm hoping more of a technological revolution, like this: https://twitter.com/thebetterindia/status/167302084037433344...

Algae is abundant, easy to grow and completely compostable - the problem - again, is capitalism holding it hostage.

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