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The damaging results of mandated return to office

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Re: The damaging results of mandated return to office

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Post by dboreham »

malfist wrote: post #56
m348e912 wrote: post #55

I think a good solution is industries should standardize on pay differential between working at the office full time, vs hybrid, vs full time work from home. Here is just an example: Looking at the same exact job. Office workers would make 20% more than the WFH employees and Hybrid workers would make 10% more than WFH employees. Now employees have incentives to pursue jobs on both ends of the spectrum. Maybe the empl…

Why is the cost of my labor different if I'm in the office or not. I produce the same work, I should be compensated the same

I think the parent is trying to say that if employers value workers in their corporate offices more than workers at home, then they should pay more to get that higher value.

Re: The damaging results of mandated return to office

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Post by ge96 »

I have to return to office since I left my previous remote one, been remote for 3 years.

Silver lining (cope) for me is losing weight and slowing down passage of time.

Also interacting with people IRL is nice, seeing physical people. I don't get out much other than going to the bars once in a while.

But it sucks... Losing an hour a day for driving and I gotta get up earlier to get ready/drive. And I'll be working in a cubicle... Oh well got my cans for tunes.

Re: The damaging results of mandated return to office

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Post by fzeroracer »

RestlessMind wrote: post #49
alistairSH wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except almost all white-collar offices (in the US at least) went remote during the first 2-3 years of COVID. Most did so successfully. Yet, many now want to return to traditional office work with little evidence that’s a better way to work.

> with little evidence that’s a better way to work. You are assuming that decision makers are dumb. I disagree with that. My null hypothesis is that they are smart, competent people and are doing the best decision according to data they are seeing.

> My null hypothesis is that they are smart, competent people and are doing the best decision according to data they are seeing.

That's precisely the problem. The decision makers suffer from extreme confirmation bias and Dunning-Kruger effect. So what happens is they run surveys, polls etc which are loaded and indicate that employees would 'love' to return to the office. They mandate RTO and are then surprised when people leave en masse because the data they've collected is wrong.

Re: The damaging results of mandated return to office

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Post by erik_seaberg »

malfist wrote: post #56
m348e912 wrote: post #55

I think a good solution is industries should standardize on pay differential between working at the office full time, vs hybrid, vs full time work from home. Here is just an example: Looking at the same exact job. Office workers would make 20% more than the WFH employees and Hybrid workers would make 10% more than WFH employees. Now employees have incentives to pursue jobs on both ends of the spectrum. Maybe the empl…

Why is the cost of my labor different if I'm in the office or not. I produce the same work, I should be compensated the same

Remote-first jobs are still in the minority (low labor demand), and a lot of devs across the time zone are eager to take them (high labor supply), so we should expect to see lower offers.

Re: The damaging results of mandated return to office

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Post by vvladymyrov »

m1117 wrote: post #40

I think companies should be inclusive, and bring people to the office. Because people who don't like working from home will feel excluded when they're lonely in the office.

I’m definitely feel excluded while WFH from the race and contention for the meeting rooms for taking a conf call with my colleges in other offices…

Re: The damaging results of mandated return to office

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Post by WalterBright »

alistairSH wrote: post #25
diego_moita wrote: post #19

I wish we stopped with the "companies should do this/should do that". Existing big companies are too comfortable and lazy for the remote work revolution. Remote work is a radical change in culture and work organization. It will take new companies with new workflows and organizational ideas to make it work well. We're not there yet. Managers don't understand yet how to do it, they need to read a lot of documentation (…

Except almost all white-collar offices (in the US at least) went remote during the first 2-3 years of COVID. Most did so successfully. Yet, many now want to return to traditional office work with little evidence that’s a better way to work.

I've done a lot of remote work over the decades. It starts out well, because you know your coworkers well. But, over time, those relationships fade, and people come and go at work. You lose the connection with them, and they with you.

It's hardly all roses.

Re: The damaging results of mandated return to office

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Post by soligern »

diego_moita wrote: post #19

I wish we stopped with the "companies should do this/should do that". Existing big companies are too comfortable and lazy for the remote work revolution. Remote work is a radical change in culture and work organization. It will take new companies with new workflows and organizational ideas to make it work well. We're not there yet. Managers don't understand yet how to do it, they need to read a lot of documentation (…

What do you mean by “crack” remote? It’s been “cracked” and has been pretty run of the mill for years now. You have a point about big companies with overhead being slow to turn but there are already very well established ways for remote companies to work.

Re: The damaging results of mandated return to office

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Post by soligern »

WalterBright wrote: post #66
alistairSH wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except almost all white-collar offices (in the US at least) went remote during the first 2-3 years of COVID. Most did so successfully. Yet, many now want to return to traditional office work with little evidence that’s a better way to work.

I've done a lot of remote work over the decades. It starts out well, because you know your coworkers well. But, over time, those relationships fade, and people come and go at work. You lose the connection with them, and they with you. It's hardly all roses.

It’s all roses. I see my coworkers in person once a year at the Christmas party. Other than that I’ve only every worked with them online since I started working here 2.5 years ago. It’s all roses.

Re: The damaging results of mandated return to office

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Post by WalterBright »

malfist wrote: post #56
m348e912 wrote: post #55

I think a good solution is industries should standardize on pay differential between working at the office full time, vs hybrid, vs full time work from home. Here is just an example: Looking at the same exact job. Office workers would make 20% more than the WFH employees and Hybrid workers would make 10% more than WFH employees. Now employees have incentives to pursue jobs on both ends of the spectrum. Maybe the empl…

Why is the cost of my labor different if I'm in the office or not. I produce the same work, I should be compensated the same

> Why is the cost of my labor different if I'm in the office or not.

The Law of Supply & Demand.

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