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Corporate profits account for almost half the increase in Europe’s inflation

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Re: Corporate profits account for almost half the increase in Europe’s inflation

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Historically, that hasn't happened when worker's wages increased. Prices do tend to go up (they always do) but not to the degree that it makes the wage increases worthless. When minimum wages go up, workers lives improve. Also, when companies don't have an excuse, consumers simply won't pay $12 for a dozen eggs. Every consumer has some idea of what things are worth and if a company tries to jack prices up for no reas…

You make an assumptions that is false. 1. Minimum wage increases != wage increases. It's a small subset. The poorest of the poor is never the problem. > Every consumer has some idea of what things are worth and if a company tries to jack prices up for no reason consumers feel cheated and stop paying. The recent inflation proves otherwise. Many costs have remained sticky for no added benefit. If this was true then we…

> It's a small subset. The poorest of the poor is never the problem.

You're right that we've never seen the effects of raising everyone's wages at once.

> This just proves the point further - consumers continued spending despite the rising costs. But now you'll say they're only now started to feel ripped off?

For the first two years of the pandemic, people weren't happy about the price increases at any point, but they were both desperate for the familiar comforts they'd been denied (due to lock downs, businesses being shutdown, or supply shortages) and also they understood that there was a unprecedented global crisis going on, so they expected that prices were higher due to issues outside of anyone's control. American households went heavily into debt to get the things they wanted and felt that they deserved after all they'd been through and sacrificed.

As soon as the supply started to return to normal consumers were flooded with messages about how inflation was driving up prices and companies said to consumers "We know our prices are higher, but it's not our fault! It's this damn inflation that's to blame! We're all in this together!" and so consumers felt they were being ripped off, but not by the companies. Instead they were told to blame the pathetic amount of disaster relief people got in the first years of the pandemic so that they could keep their rent paid and feed their families, and we see that even after all the evidence we have of companies making record profits there are still people in this very thread who blame "money printing" for the rising prices.

Companies were able to deflect blame very well, even as one by one, examples were coming out about how certain companies and industries making money hand over fist. Over the last year or so more and more people are starting to catch on and feel like they have been being taken advantage of, which they have been, but it's not a binary switch where every consumer suddenly stops paying for things that are clearly over priced. Many consumers have been buying less.

I know people who no longer buy goods they used to, or don't buy them as often because of the unfair prices. I myself have a list of companies I don't buy eggs from anymore because they were caught raising prices while blaming "bird flu" when they were not impacted by it. People do respond negatively to unfair price hikes, but in the last few years they were lied to and fooled into thinking that "We're all in this together" and are now in the process of learning that they were being cheated. That's what this article is. It's teaching people that they were cheated. Not everyone one will read it though. It'll probably take a while before most everyone understands that they have been being ripped off and start acting accordingly, assuming that they don't just feel defeated.

It's also harder for consumers to counter giant unnecessary price hikes when every company is doing it at once. If my kids want PB&J for school lunches, and every single company selling peanut butter raises their prices by $3, I'm kind of screwed! If the meat industry raises their prices again and again after pulling in record profits for the least two years I'm still stuck paying the price if I really want a cheeseburger. Lack of competition means that it's harder for consumers to get alternatives at reasonable prices, and for some products no alternative will be equal.

What I can say is that driving worker's pay down isn't going to cause a single company to lower their prices. It's just going to cause large parts of the US population to be priced out of things they could once afford. Companies won't care though. They'll charge everyone else more to make up for it. That means eggs still cost more, only now most people don't get to have them.

The source of the problem isn't wages, it's greed and until the source of the problem is addressed and dealt with every consumer, rich or poor, is going to suffer for it one way or another.

Re: Corporate profits account for almost half the increase in Europe’s inflation

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Broadly speaking, competitiveness is the source of quality of life improvements, through its effect of expanding capital and thereby raising productivity.

In what world does competition increase quality of life? Competition results in more misery and less free time as people spend their time and energy trying to out compete one another.

The theory isn’t that completion makes things better for the competitors, it makes things better for the consumer they are competing over.

Re: Corporate profits account for almost half the increase in Europe’s inflation

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You make an assumptions that is false. 1. Minimum wage increases != wage increases. It's a small subset. The poorest of the poor is never the problem. > Every consumer has some idea of what things are worth and if a company tries to jack prices up for no reason consumers feel cheated and stop paying. The recent inflation proves otherwise. Many costs have remained sticky for no added benefit. If this was true then we…

> It's a small subset. The poorest of the poor is never the problem. You're right that we've never seen the effects of raising everyone's wages at once. > This just proves the point further - consumers continued spending despite the rising costs. But now you'll say they're only now started to feel ripped off? For the first two years of the pandemic, people weren't happy about the price increases at any point, but the…

> You're right that we've never seen the effects of raising everyone's wages at once.

We just saw it - a year ago - and it coincided with the worst inflation in decades. Look at the 80s - same thing - high inflation and high wages go hand in hand. They're not to blame, per se, they're just a clear indicator of inflationary periods of time.

Of course it is nonsense to solely blame pandemic relief (vs years of cheap cash and PPP loans) for inflation. I don't think you give the American people enough credit. They're not stupid drones going around. They want to buy things, and they didn't care that it cost more. Companies caught on quickly (like anyone else would.) Compound that with the fact that most conveniences are staffed by wage slave jobs that most americans would turn their noses up at, then you have rich people waiting in long lines at McDonald's as opposed to cheaper options.

> The source of the problem isn't wages, it's greed and until the source of the problem is addressed and dealt with every consumer, rich or poor, is going to suffer for it one way or another.

No one is saying that wages are the source of the problem. They may contribute a small piece. In any case, railing against "greed" borders on the mythical. Why is the voracious apetite of many american consumers not considered greed, as well? Moral crusades have no place here, in my humble opinion.

Re: Corporate profits account for almost half the increase in Europe’s inflation

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Hating holders of capital isn't effective, either rhetorically or as a policy motivator, at least in the west, at least for now. I mean this in the descriptive sense, not as a moral or personal opinion. Stronger anti-trust, stronger worker's rights, more equitable ownership of firms/real property/capital, etc. -- none of this requires hate, and most of it is actually entirely consistent with the bedrock principles of…

Funny, because the way the US got most of it's worker rights and protections was pretty violent strikes in the early 1900s. It used to be reasonable for your union to have arms, and be shot at by the pinkertons. Employers, I don't care why, choose to do whatever it takes to keep me paid poorly and without power, and not hating that is just pathetic.

I'm describing the USA today, not the USA at the time of the Homestead strike.

Re: Corporate profits account for almost half the increase in Europe’s inflation

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No comment in this chain implied the fed printed money except yours. So lets cut the crap - you are engaging in reductive malarkey right now. It's a complete non-sequitur to the conversation at hand (that printing money causes inflation) and frankly, based on your comments - I'm fairly certain you have no clue what you're talking about at this point. Does the fed directly print money - no, the treasury does. Does the…

Again, you’re over-simplifying this. Money creation / destruction is not that simple. There are several ways the money supply can expand. Primarily, banks expand the money supply. The Fed (often) buys treasury bonds on an open exchange, allowing banks to make loans, expanding the money supply. Sometimes, the Fed “PRINTS MONEY!!” to decrease the money supply, by increasing the interest rate on reserve balances (IORB).…

Increasing IORB is the opposite of printing money. You essentially take the money out of the economy. It is like selling treasuries.

The act of increasing IORB or selling treasuries doesn’t constitute money printing by itself. What you use to finance those interest payments is what may or may not constitute money printing.

Re: Corporate profits account for almost half the increase in Europe’s inflation

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He labelled the cause as government policy, which clearly includes pandemic measures. Sweden didn't lock down but they did print a ton of money. Compare money supply growth for UK vs Sweden. It's the same and occurred at the same time. Lockdowns weren't the only pandemic spending measures unfortunately. All governments everywhere massively pumped the money supply to pay for "whatever it takes" and now the bill has co…

> In theory inflation cannot occur without money printing, because a rise in prices of something like oil or food must be compensated by a fall in prices elsewhere as demand for that less essential thing disappears. This is silly, inflation existed before "money printing" existed as a concept. We had inflation when we had gold standard. Inflation existed even when we used physical gold coins to pay. More plainly, the…

Inflation during the gold standard came from:

1. Debasement of the currency (reducing the gold content of coins)

2. Gold mining

3. Stealing gold from abroad

That's why the Spanish Empire suffered hyperinflation after Cortez, because so much gold was brought back to Spain from the conquered South American tribes.

Yes, money velocity has an impact too but the main thing which can affect that is government intervention (like by printing lots of money and giving it to people who then save it - low velocity - and later start spending it - higher velocity).

Re: Corporate profits account for almost half the increase in Europe’s inflation

#437

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Again, you’re over-simplifying this. Money creation / destruction is not that simple. There are several ways the money supply can expand. Primarily, banks expand the money supply. The Fed (often) buys treasury bonds on an open exchange, allowing banks to make loans, expanding the money supply. Sometimes, the Fed “PRINTS MONEY!!” to decrease the money supply, by increasing the interest rate on reserve balances (IORB).…

Increasing IORB is the opposite of printing money. You essentially take the money out of the economy. It is like selling treasuries. The act of increasing IORB or selling treasuries doesn’t constitute money printing by itself. What you use to finance those interest payments is what may or may not constitute money printing.

> What you use to finance those interest payments is what may or may not constitute money printing.

Yes. Exactly.

Re: Corporate profits account for almost half the increase in Europe’s inflation

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>Governments etc. argue As they should. that's how it works and they are correct. Employees should argue against that and demand more if they dare. The job of Central bank is to increase interest rates until unemployment rate increases to the level where employees don't dare ask more. Unemployment reduces both demand and wage growth. That will slow down inflation but it also baits recession. Economy is a dynamic syst…

> Central bank is to increase interest rates until unemployment rate increases I might be old fashioned, but last time I checked, government's job was not to drive down living standards. Maybe their job is to ensure that a resource-show like rising energy prices does not hit, by majing economy rsillient and relying on diverse suppliers

You can get 100% employment only if wages are too small. That's really bad for living standards.

There is so called "Natural level of unemployment" and NAIRU (Non Accelerating Inflation Rate of Unemployment) typically between 3% and 5%.

Re: Corporate profits account for almost half the increase in Europe’s inflation

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They didn't say government. They said Central Banks, which in most places are semi-disconnected from elected government since you don't really want anyone playing politics with Central Bank policy. Central Banks are generally tasked with setting one single, but very powerful, variable: interest rates. There's thought to be a pretty strong causal relationship between interest rates and unemployment. The central bank a…

In practice central bankers are unelected politicians. Their mandates are set by politicians, they aren't actually bankers in the normal sense of the term, and what they do is attempt to plan the economy in service of politically set goals. If central bankers were really independent of politics then they would of course have refused to print any money to fund COVID measures like lockdowns on the grounds that they are…

> Their mandates are set by politicians.

You say as it's a bad thing. The mandate is public and set by politicians selected by people.

This "it's all bad" because politics stuff is jut nihilism.

Re: Corporate profits account for almost half the increase in Europe’s inflation

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post #439

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In practice central bankers are unelected politicians. Their mandates are set by politicians, they aren't actually bankers in the normal sense of the term, and what they do is attempt to plan the economy in service of politically set goals. If central bankers were really independent of politics then they would of course have refused to print any money to fund COVID measures like lockdowns on the grounds that they are…

> Their mandates are set by politicians. You say as it's a bad thing. The mandate is public and set by politicians selected by people. This "it's all bad" because politics stuff is jut nihilism.

I didn't intend for it to be read as either good or bad. Actually I think it's a good thing. Government employees should not see themselves as independent of politicians.
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